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 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


I maybe wrong about the two competing for ratings, but I'm sure LIS had something to do with the childish nature of a lot of the third seasons episodes.


Nah, really, LiS had zero to do with it. Roddenberry even issued memos to Freiberger stating the need to be more mature and different than the recently cancelled LiS. The network didn't want them to get sillier, the network wanted them gone. Actually, because of the switch to Fridays at 10, Star Trek LOST the kids in the audience. So they actually had to go older - there was an uptick in spookiness and horror in the episodes. Also, they aimed for the female audience by adding more romance based storylines.

But, no, nobody at the network or on staff wanted to make it more like LiS. Even Space turned away from pure comedy in their final season after the camp craze burned itself out.


"The Great Vegetable Rebellion". Yep, LIS moved away from camp.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

WHOM GODS DESTROY contributes to that precious Trek continuity--and the reusing of props--in the scene when Kirk says he remembers the "Neural Neutralizer" from DAGGER OF THE MIND.

I smile whenever I see one of thse painted plastic coffee cup lids taped to a wall.


They reused the Nomad prop in at least one other episode.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

"LORD GARTH!!!"

He was great. He also started going a bit Harry H Corbett from Steptoe & Son. Made me laugh.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yeah, season three got more serious. Not at all like LIS.



 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Season One: Wagon Train in Space
Season Two: Gunsmoke in Space
Season Three: F-Troop in Space


Season 2 though gave us "Patterns Of Force" which can more appropriately be called "Hogan's Heroes In Space".

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Season One: Wagon Train in Space
Season Two: Gunsmoke in Space
Season Three: F-Troop in Space


Season 2 though gave us "Patterns Of Force" which can more appropriately be called "Hogan's Heroes In Space".


I liked keeping the Western motif and putting off the joke for the end.
For non-westerns, Season Three might suggest "Beverly Hillbillies in Space."

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Season One: Wagon Train in Space
Season Two: Gunsmoke in Space
Season Three: F-Troop in Space


Season 2 though gave us "Patterns Of Force" which can more appropriately be called "Hogan's Heroes In Space".


Season two has four consecutive clunkers: The Gamesters of Triskelion; A Piece of the Action; The Immunity Syndrome; and A Private Little War (aside from Nancy Kovack, of course). There are numerous sub-par episodes strewn throughout the season, yet here I am, still watching the damned things (though it's been a couple years since I last watched TOS).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)


I maybe wrong about the two competing for ratings, but I'm sure LIS had something to do with the childish nature of a lot of the third seasons episodes.


Nah, really, LiS had zero to do with it. Roddenberry even issued memos to Freiberger stating the need to be more mature and different than the recently cancelled LiS. The network didn't want them to get sillier, the network wanted them gone. Actually, because of the switch to Fridays at 10, Star Trek LOST the kids in the audience. So they actually had to go older - there was an uptick in spookiness and horror in the episodes. Also, they aimed for the female audience by adding more romance based storylines.

But, no, nobody at the network or on staff wanted to make it more like LiS. Even Space turned away from pure comedy in their final season after the camp craze burned itself out.


"The Great Vegetable Rebellion". Yep, LIS moved away from camp.


Stanley Adams. A good actor. It was a paycheck, but unfortunately for him his part in that ridiculous giant carrot getup is one of the roles he's most remembered for.

If you look carefully I believe you'll see some of those same dumb rubber LIS monster costumes changed a bit and recycled on Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea. Probably the same poor stunt guy inside swinging the arms around. And if you look even more carefully you'll see Basehart's eyes rolling back into his head as he wonders how the hell he even wound up on that show.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Probably the same poor stunt guy inside swinging the arms around.

And that poor stunt guy probably had a lit, unfiltered "Camel" cigarette stuck in his yap underneath the mask.

"Welcome to the Sixties, pal!"

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


I maybe wrong about the two competing for ratings, but I'm sure LIS had something to do with the childish nature of a lot of the third seasons episodes.


Nah, really, LiS had zero to do with it. Roddenberry even issued memos to Freiberger stating the need to be more mature and different than the recently cancelled LiS. The network didn't want them to get sillier, the network wanted them gone. Actually, because of the switch to Fridays at 10, Star Trek LOST the kids in the audience. So they actually had to go older - there was an uptick in spookiness and horror in the episodes. Also, they aimed for the female audience by adding more romance based storylines.

But, no, nobody at the network or on staff wanted to make it more like LiS. Even Space turned away from pure comedy in their final season after the camp craze burned itself out.


"The Great Vegetable Rebellion". Yep, LIS moved away from camp.


Stanley Adams. A good actor. It was a paycheck, but unfortunately for him his part in that ridiculous giant carrot getup is one of the roles he's most remembered for.

If you look carefully I believe you'll see some of those same dumb rubber LIS monster costumes changed a bit and recycled on Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea. Probably the same poor stunt guy inside swinging the arms around. And if you look even more carefully you'll see Basehart's eyes rolling back into his head as he wonders how the hell he even wound up on that show.


IA was famous was reusing props across all his shows.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Probably the same poor stunt guy inside swinging the arms around.

And that poor stunt guy probably had a lit, unfiltered "Camel" cigarette stuck in his yap underneath the mask.

"Welcome to the Sixties, pal!"


big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)


Stanley Adams. A good actor. It was a paycheck, but unfortunately for him his part in that ridiculous giant carrot getup is one of the roles he's most remembered for.


Stanley disgraced himself more when he wrote an episode of Trek that is substantively even worse than the Vegetable Rebellion one of LIS, "The Mark Of Gideon."

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)



"Welcome to the Sixties, pal!"


You weren't even there.
Poseur!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2018 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

They reused the Nomad prop in at least one other episode.

Two episodes.

The Romulan cloaking device from "The Enterprise Incident"

The floating M5 robot from "Requiem for Methuselah"

I always liked to imagine Mr. Flint finding the remains of the exploded Nomad and re-using them for his M5 robot. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


"Welcome to the Sixties, pal!"

You weren't even there.
Poseur!!!!!


I triggered you like Kirk triggered Landru!big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Season two has four consecutive clunkers: The Gamesters of Triskelion; A Piece of the Action; The Immunity Syndrome; and A Private Little War (aside from Nancy Kovack, of course). There are numerous sub-par episodes strewn throughout the season, yet here I am, still watching the damned things (though it's been a couple years since I last watched TOS).


I'd take any of the "clunkers" you mention over any episode of The Next Generation any day...

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Season two has four consecutive clunkers: The Gamesters of Triskelion; A Piece of the Action; The Immunity Syndrome; and A Private Little War (aside from Nancy Kovack, of course). There are numerous sub-par episodes strewn throughout the season, yet here I am, still watching the damned things (though it's been a couple years since I last watched TOS).


I'd take any of the "clunkers" you mention over any episode of The Next Generation any day...


Same here! (see above: "yet here I am, still watching the damned things"...)

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Season two has four consecutive clunkers: The Gamesters of Triskelion; A Piece of the Action; The Immunity Syndrome; and A Private Little War (aside from Nancy Kovack, of course). There are numerous sub-par episodes strewn throughout the season, yet here I am, still watching the damned things (though it's been a couple years since I last watched TOS).


I'd take any of the "clunkers" you mention over any episode of The Next Generation any day...


#metoo

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I'd have to watch Next Gen but yah the Gamesters one was 20 mins of an episode at best and the one with Kovack again had an ok idea but was about 40 mins too long. Kirk snogs absolutely everyone in season 3. Last episode was the Methuselah one, which again was just not good at all. Central idea of needing a cure and a race against time was good but it's completely dropped/sidetracked by bilge and foxy robots.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


"Welcome to the Sixties, pal!"

You weren't even there.
Poseur!!!!!


I triggered you like Kirk triggered Landru!big grin


Martin Landru?

 
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