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 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Your kidding right?

I am not. The rest of the world may not share your taste in music or film.


If you're not "down" with JG's theme, then avoid the score, since there are numerous renditions of the theme throughout.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Goldsmith fans often hold it up as a shining example of his craft, and there's more to it than just the march. There's a nice spiky theme for the Klingons, some mysterious Holst-like (some might say Holst-lite smile) music for the space cloud, and a delicate theme for one of the female aliens. If you're inclined towards the Goldsmith library I'd recommend giving it a try for yourself - you might love it.

Thanks. My cutoff for Goldsmith is mid- to late-70s, so this one is cutting it very close. Do you happen to know if he has a ponytail on this album, or was he still rockin' the Beatle-do?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If you're not "down" with JG's theme, then avoid the score, since there are numerous renditions of the theme throughout.

Thanks. It's everywhere here, both on LP and CD, for next to nothing. I'll follow your advice.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

My cutoff for Goldsmith is mid- to late-70s, so this one is cutting it very close. Do you happen to know if he has a ponytail on this album, or was he still rockin' the Beatle-do?

Heh - I'm afraid I haven't a scooby about that. You'll have to ask one of the cult smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

My cutoff for Goldsmith is mid- to late-70s, so this one is cutting it very close. Do you happen to know if he has a ponytail on this album, or was he still rockin' the Beatle-do?

Heh - I'm afraid I haven't a scooby about that. You'll have to ask one of the cult smile


Not a Goldsmith cultist--even though He is The Greatest Composer of All--but I believe Jerry was still rockin' the Beatle/ Sponge 'do in 1979.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Goldsmith fans often hold it up as a shining example of his craft, and there's more to it than just the march. There's a nice spiky theme for the Klingons, some mysterious Holst-like (some might say Holst-lite smile) music for the space cloud, and a delicate theme for one of the female aliens. If you're inclined towards the Goldsmith library I'd recommend giving it a try for yourself - you might love it.

Thanks. My cutoff for Goldsmith is mid- to late-70s, so this one is cutting it very close. Do you happen to know if he has a ponytail on this album, or was he still rockin' the Beatle-do?


Tall Guy wrote my response perfectly before I could get back online. I see your still unmoved. Oh well. Bye the bye I think the late 70's and into the 80's was when he wrote his best stuff. (The ponytail had magical powers) In all seriousness I'm guessing your probably a decade older than me.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Tall Guy wrote my response perfectly before I could get back online. I see your still unmoved. Oh well. Bye the bye I think the late 70's and into the 80's was when he wrote his best stuff. (The ponytail had magical powers) In all seriousness I'm guessing your probably a decade older than me.

Yeah, probably. I basically hate the 80s, except for David Lynch, David Cronenberg, and Tom Waits.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)



I had been a Star Trek fan as a kid,.... I also watched the show religiously in re-runs.
The following summer, I watched it on cable at a friend's house, and I think I had trouble staying awake through the whole thing.

I don't think I've ever watched it since, although I must have stumbled across it channel surfing over the years.

I've never cared for Goldsmith's theme.


Your kidding right?

I ACTUALLY FEEL THE SAME WAY
and
GOLDSMITH IS MY FAVE COMPOSER!

gimme ALIEN any day over ST

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey zoobs, Tall Guy and OB: Take the challenge--pick up the Director's Edition, watch it from end to end and report back if you have any change of heart or if the experience just confirms your original assessment. There's a really beautiful piece of dialogue of Spock's added back in that packs meaning and fills in a hole. I'm including Kirk's and especially McCoy's reaction to it. Am finishing up another viewing m'self but who cares, I converted ages ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Hey zoobs, Tall Guy and OB: Take the challenge--pick up the Director's Edition, watch it from end to end and report back if you have any change of heart or if the experience just confirms your original assessment.

I could not stand looking at those hideous red uniforms for two hours. Any time spent watching a Star Trek film could have been spent watching two episodes of the original series, with its mid-century modern bridge and female crew members in micro-mini dresses.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

In regard to TMP, I fall between the "worst movie ever" "nerd masterpiece" camps.

On the other hand, I love me some crazy-ass, psychedelic S3 episodes...oh, if only Trek had boldly gone into the early '70s.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Hey zoobs, Tall Guy and OB: Take the challenge--pick up the Director's Edition, watch it from end to end and report back if you have any change of heart or if the experience just confirms your original assessment.

I could not stand looking at those hideous red uniforms for two hours. Any time spent watching a Star Trek film could have been spent watching two episodes of the original series, with its mid-century modern bridge and female crew members in micro-mini dresses.


Your confusing films. The "hideous red uniforms" as you call them are from Star Trek 2 TWOK. Star Trek 2 is a really good film regardless of it's title or franchise association.

Back on topic, you may have missed all the hype, but the film was extensively marketed on many fronts.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Your confusing films. The "hideous red uniforms" as you call them are from Star Trek 2 TWOK. Star Trek 2 is a really good film regardless of it's title or franchise association.

Back on topic, you may have missed all the hype, but the film was extensively marketed on many fronts.


My point is the films lacked the style of the original series, and style is an important element of sci-fi for me. IMO 1980s style, design, and fashion are hideous, so I would have a hard time suffering through these films, regardless of plot or content. YMMV.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

In regard to TMP, I fall between the "worst movie ever" "nerd masterpiece" camps.


Ha, me too! I'm conflicted like Spock dealing with his half Vulcan and half human sides. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Your confusing films. The "hideous red uniforms" as you call them are from Star Trek 2 TWOK. Star Trek 2 is a really good film regardless of it's title or franchise association.

Back on topic, you may have missed all the hype, but the film was extensively marketed on many fronts.


My point is the films lacked the style of the original series, and style is an important element of sci-fi for me. IMO 1980s style, design, and fashion is hideous, so I would have a hard time suffering through these films, regardless of plot or content. YMMV.



Thanks for the clarification. I kinda agree with you here. Though I think the refit Enterprise is a gorgeous looking ship, the rest of the production design was quite hideous in the films.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I am one who prefers the DIRECTOR'S CUT.

Just don't cut out the "Spock's Ruby Cock" Scene and I'm fine with it.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=119224&forumID=7&archive=0

I liked the added little touches here and there in the Directors Cut. The Statues on Vulcan, new angle and footage of Shuttle Craft flying near Golden Gate Bridge and it's arrival at Starfleet.

That shot of Ilia's G-String when she bends over to get her Tri-Corder. All that good stuff.

I'd go back to the Theater if they released the Directors Cut for the big screen, just for that sequence alone. I always thought it was a big mistake when they cut the "Uhura gets a Yeast Infection" subplot out of SEARCH FOR SPOCK. In my heart it will always be STAR TREK III THE SEARCH FOR VAGISIL.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Why do I get the sense that the Nichelle photo was taken by or seen from Gene's p.o.v?

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Why do I get the sense that the Nichelle photo was taken by or seen from Gene's p.o.v?

One thing I've learned. You can't take the male chauvinist pig out of the humanist.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Why do I get the sense that the Nichelle photo was taken by or seen from Gene's p.o.v?

One thing I've learned. You can't take the male chauvinist pig out of the humanist.


...or every other man. smile

On an unrelated but TMP-related note, in summer 1982, I was pleasantly surprised to learn there was a Star Trek comic strip, which did not appear in my local newspaper, but in a North Carolina paper I happened upon while on vacation. The Enterprise crew were still wearing their jammies from TMP and the security guards still wore the black and white uniforms with the black helmets, which I always liked. There must have been a decree from Paramount that any and all portrayals of the Trek universe must adhere to the TMP template--and this comic strip was summer 1982, with TWOK already in theaters!

I always felt that despite Meyer's "Horatio Hornblower" fixation, that those ST II-VI uniforms were first and foremost designed to better cover the "expanding universe" that was TOS crew's midsections.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Sean N   (Member)

My favorite memory of the uniforms (which I loathed) first revealed in 1982's Wrath of Khan was when a film critic wrote that Shatner looked like an usher captain.

Those comic strips you mention, Jim, have all been published in recent years in high quality hardbacks. I asked for the first volume for Christmas, but having ground to a halt somewhere in the first third of the book, never picked up the second and final volume, which I think ends around the time you must have first seen them. (I never saw it in my local papers either.)

 
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