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 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mr. Greg: Re your: I quite enjoyed the first one...but the sequels left me cold...scores were (mostly) good...but I was always surprised that so few of the rabid audience these films found actually questioned the morals therein - it's all really quite.....disturbing....if you think about it...

Oh dear. Then you must also question the "morals" of about 75% of the movies being made. Most of us had no problems with it on that level, but I can understand those who criticized it for its story or its acting, which even I admit can be awfully wooden and stilted at times, however much I loved the first one and enjoyed the other 4 to various degrees. I adored Carter Burwell's soundtrack for the first, less so for Alexandre Desplat's for the second, liked a lot of Howard Shore's for the third (but he was NO Carter Burwell), and was overjoyed when Burwell returned for the fourth and fifth chapters. I have a pretty large TWILIGHT playlist (64 cues, 2 hours and 44 minutes) with most of the instrumental cues but only 4 selected songs (by Linkin Park, Paramour, Metric, and Christina Perri), and music has always been an important factor for many of us who like or love that series. But "disturbing"? This is a fictional story about vampires and werewolves. Get over it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2013 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

I received it, but have been placing so many pre-orders lately, mostly for CDs, but also things like "Twilight Forever" and "Downton Abbey 4," that I screwed up and placed the order for "Twilight Forever" twice, receiving 2 of them today. And now they're charging me to ship it back AND probably charge me shipping for an item that came with it, so it will have cost me nearly $60 for the set. Damn. Anybody in Los Angeles want to buy the 2nd copy (new and unopened) at a discount? [Too late: Decided to ship the 2nd copy back to Amazon, but it would have been a good deal for anyone locally who was going to buy it anyway!)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I received it, but have been placing so many pre-orders lately, mostly for CDs, but also things like "Twilight Forever" and "Downton Abbey 4," that I screwed up and placed the order for "Twilight Forever" twice, receiving 2 of them today. And now they're charging me to ship it back AND probably charge me shipping for an item that came with it, so it will have cost me nearly $60 for the set. Damn. Anybody in Los Angeles want to buy the 2nd copy (new and unopened) at a discount?

I would put it on ebay if I were you, probably an easy sell.
You can charge the buyer for the shipping cost too.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Oh dear. Then you must also question the "morals" of about 75% of the movies being made. Most of us had no problems with it on that level, but I can understand those who criticized it for its story or its acting, which even I admit can be awfully wooden and stilted at times, however much I loved the first one and enjoyed the other 4 to various degrees. I adored Carter Burwell's soundtrack for the first, less so for Alexandre Desplat's for the second, liked a lot of Howard Shore's for the third (but he was NO Carter Burwell), and was overjoyed when Burwell returned for the fourth and fifth chapters. I have a pretty large TWILIGHT playlist (64 cues, 2 hours and 44 minutes) with most of the instrumental cues but only 4 selected songs (by Linkin Park, Paramour, Metric, and Christina Perri), and music has always been an important factor for many of us who like or love that series. But "disturbing"? This is a fictional story about vampires and werewolves. Get over it.

Sorry - just saw this - what?? Lol - nothing for me to "get Over" because I was never "Not Over It" in the first place! I'm well aware of what the story is, all I was saying was that I found it surprising that the screaming horde of fans these films produced appeared to overlook a highly questionable morality. 'Tis all...no drama smile

And yes - Carter Burwell's score for the first one is still the highlight of that series' scores (for me).

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Oh dear. Then you must also question the "morals" of about 75% of the movies being made.

I do. I don't hate every movie -- or even most movies -- that I find ethically problematic, but I don't just ignore the problems, either. I have a big problem with our hero being a murderer at the end of Percy Jackson, and not only does no one care but it's played as a joke. Of course, that movie was awful anyway so no great loss. But I also found How to Train Your Dragon to be on shaky moral ground, and since there's so much to like about that one the problematic bits stood out all the more.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

But I also found How to Train Your Dragon to be on shaky moral ground, and since there's so much to like about that one the problematic bits stood out all the more.

Don't mean to steer this OT but I'm curious as to what you are referring too?

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mr. Greg: Re "… all I was saying was that I found it surprising that the screaming horde of fans these films produced appeared to overlook a highly questionable morality" (And possibly massage)

"A highly questionable morality?" Are you referring to humans having carnal relations with the undead? Or a werewolf so in love with a human being? Or that some of them were having sex outside of marriage? I realize that marriage equality hasn't reached the stage where most states accept marriage between humans and vampires, but give it some time and, one by one, they should all come around. But don't let it worry you so much -- I'm sure they would have happily gotten married if they could.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mr. Greg: Re "… all I was saying was that I found it surprising that the screaming horde of fans these films produced appeared to overlook a highly questionable morality" (And possibly massage)

"A highly questionable morality?" Are you referring to humans having carnal relations with the undead? Or a werewolf so in love with a human being? Or that some of them were having sex outside of marriage? I realize that marriage equality hasn't reached the stage where most states accept marriage between humans and vampires, but give it some time and, one by one, they should all come around. But don't let it worry you so much -- I'm sure they would have happily gotten married if they could.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mr. Greg: Re "… all I was saying was that I found it surprising that the screaming horde of fans these films produced appeared to overlook a highly questionable morality" (And possibly Mastadge)

"A highly questionable morality?" Are you referring to humans having carnal relations with the undead? Or a werewolf so in love with a human being? Or that some of them were having sex outside of marriage? I realize that marriage equality hasn't reached the stage where most states accept marriage between humans and vampires, but give it some time and, one by one, they should all come around. But don't let it worry you so much -- I'm sure they would have happily gotten married if they could. And if Mr. Greg and Mastadge (who wrote "...all I was saying was that I found it surprising that the screaming horde of fans these films produced appeared to overlook a highly questionable morality") were referring mainly to vampires killing humans, just remember that the GOOD vampires were trying their best to live off wild life and packets of bloodbank blood, and it was just the BAD ones killing innocent humans, and we see bad guys killing innocent humans in about 50% of movies made today.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I suspect this issue in question involves a century-old dude climbing into a 17-year-old's bedroom.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mastadge:

Re: "I suspect this issue in question involves a century-old dude climbing into a 17-year-old's bedroom."

Oh puleeeeeeeeeze! That's sooooooooooo ridiculous. They never had sex until after they got married and AFTER Bella turned 18, which should probably cheer you, although you probably feel that DOMA should be invoked when it comes to vampires in love with humans.

Hey -- my spellchecker kept changing m a s t a d g e to massage the six times I tried, until I capitalized it and it finally let me keep it the way you spelled it -- at one point I had sent the earlier comment and had to go back to correct it, probably just before you saw it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Oh puleeeeeeeeeze! That's sooooooooooo ridiculous. They never had sex until after they got married and AFTER Bella turned 18, which should probably cheer you, although you probably feel that DOMA should be invoked when it comes to vampires in love with humans.

So there would be nothing wrong with me, as an adult, creeping into a minor's bedroom? Anyway, the objection has nothing to do with marriage or even sex. It has to do with an adult preying on a child. Is a behavior that's legit when someone's 18 but criminal when she's 17 necessarily and absolutely morally wrong in the latter circumstance? Of course not. But I think you'll find very few cases where someone who's not yet seen 2 decades and someone who's seen 10 of them are in the same place emotionally or intellectually.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Re: "So there would be nothing wrong with me, as an adult, creeping into a minor's bedroom?"

This is a movie about a human falling in love with a vampire. As far as I know, it isn't based on a true story. It's from a gothic romance novel, and to even bring up something like that (and making such a ludicrous analogy) is very troubling.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

This is a movie about a human falling in love with a vampire. As far as I know, it isn't based on a true story. It's from a gothic romance novel, and to even bring up something like that (and making such a ludicrous analogy) is very troubling.

It's also troubling that millions of youths have shaped their identities and romantic expectations around such a model relationship. And of course directly spinning out of this is 50 Shades of Grey (a rewritten Twilight fanfic), another immensely popular book that models as deeply romantic an intensely abusive relationship. You bet I find this kind of thing troubling. Do I think it should be censored? No. But I'm not going to refrain from engaging with the problems just because it's a fiction.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

But why not bring that up when you wrote about "Masters of Sex"? Perhaps you've not seen it?

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

But why not bring that up when you wrote about "Masters of Sex"? Perhaps you've not seen it?

I have not seen it. Hence my comment in that thread that I'd like to.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

I spent much of today watching tons of extras on the 10 Blu-ray package "Twilight Forever," and it was a joy. Watched much of "Breaking Dawn Part Two," including the ending, which, again, brought out the tears. I'm astonished at how good some of the extras are! It's a treasure trove for "Twilight" fans! The elaborate book-like packaging is very attractive, although I am bothered that it's so awkward pulling the discs out -- if you use your fingertips, you risk scratching them, if you use most of your finger, you get fingerprints all over the discs. I'll just have to take special pains when removing each disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)




Hey, just sayin wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

MikeP: Jesus. Not you too???

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 10:55 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

I began this about the 10 Blu-ray set "Twilight Forever … The Complete Saga," and, along with playing these discs, I've also been playing the 5 soundtracks, and Carter Burwell's music for the first one, "Twilight," remains the best, although his variations for "Breaking Dawn (Parts One and Two)" also have some wonderful moments. I've listened to a lot of that music with headphones, but usually prefer it coming out of my surround sound system with several large Klipsch towers. What truly beautiful music!

 
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