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If Spock had to come back I would have made him a "Jedi Spirit" or something.
Which would have been even more predictable, not to mention really unoriginal, since fans speculated on this as soon as he died. I remember being strongly against the idea. Either bring him back alive or not at all. When they did, they produced my favorite Trek movie of the run. So, for me, Star Trek sequels were always wanted. Even Star Trek V.
Star Trek V! Just an embarrassment to the actors, the story line, the cheap special effects. There is simply nothing good about this movie.
The music was outstanding. Some of the acting was amazing: DeForest Kelley and Laurence Luckenbill were really in top form. The film was also well paced and shot. Definitely needed a different story and Shatner should have been forbidden to contribute anything but direction.
For real sequels I never wanted: Rocky 4 & 5; Shreck anything; Big Bad Mama 2; Cocoon 2; Highlander 2; Superman 4; Ghost Rider 2; Weekend at Bernie's 2...oh God the list goes on and on and on.
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Caddyshack 2. The original is in my top 3 favorite comedies of all time. A film I have seen at least 100 times and laughed every time (and would be happy to watch it 100 times more). But when I saw the trailer for Caddyshack 2 my heart sank. I have yet to see that film, and from what I have read and heard, I haven't missed anything.
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Really have to go with Mastadge here. It is a cheat not because it is another wrecked alien ship. It is a cheat because it looks exactly like the wreck from Alien. They look identical, so it is natural to assume it is indeed the same wreckage.
To then be told "Well it may look just like that other wreckage, but it is actually another wreckage that just happened to have crashed and came to a stop looking exactly like the original ship". It is asking too much.
http://vandalstookthehandle.com/2012/12/20/prometheus-inconsistent-with-alien-not-really/
As pointed out, the engineer left the ship, the planets look significantly different and if you really do a comparison the ships look similar, not identical (which is the key difference), ... you catch my drift. I don't see how re-using the notion of a ship crash constitutes as a 'cheat'.
I have the feeling, with absolutely nothing to back it up, that when the movie was filming this was the original wreck from Alien, which is why it looks just like the ship from Alien. But somewhere along the way, and for some reason known only to the production people, it was decided that it wasn't the same ship after all.
Prometheus deals with the origin of the spacejockey (and of course the alien). What little they had of the space jockey, the ship, ... they had to re-use in Prometheus, makes sense no? So is it that hard a stretch for your mind to introduce the notion of another ship (like there are different imperial ships in star wars) similar to the one in Alien? It would have been rather silly had there been only one. Scott himself implied that the ships were 'brothers' and hinted that the ship on LV-426 originated from the same base as the Prometheus crew discovers. Very plausible.
It's the same problem with the AbramsPrise. During filming the ship was designed originally to be a bit larger than the STTMP Enterprise. The saucer section is practically an exact match for TMP Enterprise. Everything is in scale. But somewhere along the way, Abrams decided that was too small and arbitrarily decided that his Enterprise was actually the size of the Enterprise E!
It's not the same problem as both ships are "the enterprise". There is for me no reason to assume that the ship in Prometheus was originally going to be the same as LV-426, that is pure speculation on your part and what you call a 'cheat', I call a lack of imagination on the viewer's part.
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No mention yet of "Spider-man 3"? I found that to be a hugely disappointing end to Sam Raimi's trilogy as the first two were great, with the second one possibly the best comic book movie ever.
edt: Actually, this doesn't comply with the subject heading of "sequels I didn't want to see" as I was looking forward to it very much. But I certainly don't care to watch S-M 3 again!
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"Men In Black II"
"Men In Black III"
"Star Trek: First Contact"
"Star Trek: Insurrection"
"Star Trek: Nemesis"
"Austin Powers II"
"Austin Powers III: Goldmember"
And to go ahead and say it now, 'cause this is what' it's going to be if it gets made:
"Ghostbusters III"
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"Star Trek: First Contact"
"Star Trek: Insurrection"
"Star Trek: Nemesis"
Seriously? All three are much better films in the STNG line than the initial "Generations", which is boring to boot. "First Contact" is indeed most often named the best of the Star Trek films.
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"Star Trek: First Contact"
"Star Trek: Insurrection"
"Star Trek: Nemesis"
Seriously? All three are much better films in the STNG line than the initial "Generations", which is boring to boot. "First Contact" is indeed most often named the best of the Star Trek films.
Yes, I am. "First contact" is terrible, turns the Borg into another lame villain (aside from what it had potentially been in "Q Who?" and "The Best of Both Worlds"), has no substantive character developement, shoe-horns in an action-hero captain whom has for seven years and a movie been a thoughtful character, slogs along with nothing to show for it aisde from an opening battle scene which in of itself is no great shakes, and after all that we have nothing to show for it. Voyager brings back the Borg queen, so she never really died, just that body. The Borg are never delt with. And we got a hideous new Enterprise E, with ugly Bridge, ugly Engineering, ugly everything. And ugly ship design outward. Only good thing about it: Jerry & Joel's excellent dark score.
"Insurrection" is a terrible action romp, more of a TV movie special during a TV show run, and a boring one at that. Again, we got some Captain action garbage (though thankfully at a reduced rate), horrible Data cheese (in all reducing his character to an empty characture with comedic intervals); more waste of Worf, Beverly, Geordi; shoe-horned in romance with Riker and Troi that isn't earned or buyable, with the return of the less stolid beardless Riker which looked like an on-screen mid life crisis. And we are forced into yet a second unearned, not belivable romance, this time with Picard and Anij. Nothing is accomplished here accept fan wanking for those who always wanted Riker and Troi to get back together ("Troiker"? Doesn't have the same ring as "Spuffy"). And the whole film is just boring.
The only saving grace is once again, Jerry Goldsmith.
Nemesis is just Godawful. I've said more than enough on it at TrekBBS over the years. I won't continue. This time I can't say Jerry Goldsmith was a saving grace -- he was "just there". The whole thing is a piss-poor excuse for a TNG movie send-off. So many potential ideas and developement, utterly wasted in a spectacular fashion.
I don't give a rat's patooty what the general consensus is one "First Contact". "Generations" is clearly the superior film. We have real developement for Picard (in character), Data, and even a breif tad for Geordi. We have the same ol' beautiful ship (thought some unecessarily Bridge re-design and uniform re-design, as well as the ugly communicator pin from spin-off shows). The plot carries along the characters ver well, including those with developement,, never really drags along, gives a reasonble attempt to shoe-horn Kirk in, andit's the most TNG-like film. Say what ever you want about the plotholes (every film had them), at least they didn't leap out and bang you over the head the entire time.
In classic Trek style, the scale of what has and what could happen, in grand in scope, and we have a real villain with believable motives and emotions; himself a man driven by love and not some super villain lunacy. Though the Enterprise D is detroyed in the end, the film ends on a message of hope, a timeless theme added, and the potential of what to come, with some memorable lines tossed (I remember jack of the way of the final lines from the final three TNG films); this is all later squandered in the final three films. In fact, I remember final lines from most of the TOS films, including the emotional TUC finale.
And though not everybody agrees, a fantastic score by Dennis McCarthy, which drove the film nicely and made it more at home, especially after loosing the show after seven years, which at the time was a big deal since TOS has barely lasted three seasons. A rough couple first seasons, but it survived when it founds it's own personal way.
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And though not everybody agrees, a fantastic score by Dennis McCarthy, which drove the film nicely and made it more at home, especially after loosing the show after seven years, which at the time was a big deal since TOS has barely lasted three seasons. A rough couple first seasons, but it survived when it founds it's own personal way.
While the GENERATIONS score isn't terrible, it's so awfully bland the composer didn't have a career after Trek. Really good composers did!
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While the GENERATIONS score isn't terrible, it's so awfully bland the composer didn't have a career after Trek. Really good composers did!
That's just an opinion. He's had as much work after Trek as Jay Chattaway and Paul Baillargeon. Would you say their careers were killed from what people often cite as bland TNG and lesser quality Voyager scores?
In comparrison, I can't find any information suggesting David Bell has worked after Trek. And Ron Jones got fired, but he's the only Trek scoring regular that's had consist work since (granted damn near all of it has been from Seth MacFarlane).
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A second to the earlier suggestion of GODFATHER III, plus GHOSTBUSTERS II, two of the worst films ever.
And I hope we never see a GIGLI II or an ISHTAR II...
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TO MASTAGDE- In the 70's there were porn theatres all over the place in big cities in America, as well as in drive in's in rural areas. Yet still a lot of soft core porn films were popular[Emmanuelle, Story of o-etc etc etc . many people like eroticism with some class and style because sex often does work better with a fantasy play in it [NIGHT GAMES ]As I am sure we all know. Instead of the same boring grunts and groans and no plot scenes. Like genre films often it is the buildup. the intimidation that is more exciting then the actual bare event.Sex like everything is a large part.A state of mind.
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Sex like everything is a large part. state of mind.
In that case, I am forced to question Julia Roberts' sanity in the early '90's.
Lyle Lovett? Cold shivers.
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