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 Posted:   Jul 15, 2011 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

The cocky character you describe has been around since movies began. He was nothing new in the movies you listed, although it's good you took note of them. There is a difference between stock character types and politically motivated agendas that change how a story is told and what the story means. The dead-beat dad / disappointing husband / slob who has to grow up and take responsibility / agenda has been souring and derailing too many films in the last 20 years. It has no business being in THE WAR OF THE WORLDS but if it hadn't been imposed the film would not have been financed.

Richard

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Militant feminists running Hollywood?

- I guess that's why only one of the year's 10 biggest movies to date is about women, and even that one is about a wedding. How often do women in movies have concerns outside men, relationships, weddings, babies, etc?

- I guess that's why the biggest movie of the year's women are limited to: a model whose role is to look hot, a mother whose role is to be a joke, and a real actress who starts of promisingly but then gets to watch the action unfold on video screens while the men do all the heroing.

- I guess that's why in X-Men: First Class, a movie in a franchise with liberal themes about equality between all people, three of the four female characters get to parade around in lingerie within 30 seconds of appearing on screen, and at the end every single female mutant is on team Bad Guy while team Good Guy is all white men. Even the woman with an actual character arc: her conflict is based around how to look, and more than that, about whether she should choose to look how one man wants her to look, or how another man wants her to look.

Yes, Hollywood dramas and comedies (and Superbowl commercials) do have an annoying amount of deadbeat and idiot boyfriend characters, but Hollywood also features men as the heroes and protagonists and majority characters in probably at least 90% of movies, while the women mostly get to be supporting roles (if they even really are roles rather than just props for the men to look or leer at). The hypothetical "anthropologist on Mars" studying our society solely through the lens of Hollywood entertainments would hardly come away with a militant feminist idea of our gender and sex roles, but rather an idea that our population is 87% men, that men make almost all the important decisions while women fuss about relationships and have babies for them, etc. Hollywood is hardly a bastion of feminism.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   Freejack   (Member)

Joe Dante THE EXPLORERS.

Love Dante's movies GREMLINS, THE BURBS, PIRANHA, MATINEE', SMALL SOLDIERS, THE HOWLING and INNERSPACE.

But I thought THE EXPLORERS was pure garbage, starts interesting but when the kids go up in space the movie just plain sucks. frown

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Dario Argento and his most recent films of MOTHER OF TEARS and GIALLO. I'm constantly amazed they're from the man behind TENEBRAE, SUSPIRIA and OPERA.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Joe Dante THE EXPLORERS.

Love Dante's movies GREMLINS, THE BURBS, PIRANHA, MATINEE', SMALL SOLDIERS, THE HOWLING and INNERSPACE.

But I thought THE EXPLORERS was pure garbage, starts interesting but when the kids go up in space the movie just plain sucks. frown


I'd say Dante's worst movie was Looney Tunes: Back In Action.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   Freejack   (Member)

Joe Dante THE EXPLORERS.

Love Dante's movies GREMLINS, THE BURBS, PIRANHA, MATINEE', SMALL SOLDIERS, THE HOWLING and INNERSPACE.

But I thought THE EXPLORERS was pure garbage, starts interesting but when the kids go up in space the movie just plain sucks. frown


I'd say Dante's worst movie was Looney Tunes: Back In Action.


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I couldn't even get myself to watch Looney Tunes.
Blending live action with cartoon is'nt a good thing except Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

Remember???

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   KubrickFan   (Member)

Joe Dante THE EXPLORERS.

Love Dante's movies GREMLINS, THE BURBS, PIRANHA, MATINEE', SMALL SOLDIERS, THE HOWLING and INNERSPACE.

But I thought THE EXPLORERS was pure garbage, starts interesting but when the kids go up in space the movie just plain sucks. frown


I'd say Dante's worst movie was Looney Tunes: Back In Action.


Dante's Looney Tunes would probably be better if he'd been given free range. Compare it to the Gremlins sequel, which is more in line of what a Looney Tunes movie should be like.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Back In Action wasn't perfect (why they can't just let Bugs and Co have fun on their own instead of having to always pair them with humans is beyond me), but it was definitely better than Space Jam, which I know Dante despised and wanted to make up for. The tone of Explorers does take an odd turn once they get on the ship at the end, but it's still a fun, whimsical film and certainly not a big enough change for me to say it sucks. Far from it. (But it would be interesting to see what the final cut would have been like. Dante never completed it because the studio basically released his Workprint, as they wanted it out quickly.)

I know we're talking about films, but I'd say that the worst thing Dante (who is one of my favorite directors) has done is the "Homecoming" episode of Masters of Horror, which is just a really ridiculous and stupid pile of political garbage.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   L BENDER   (Member)

Neil Jordan- THE BRAVE ONE

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   gone   (Member)

During all my years of movie going, I am still amazed when one of my favorite directors makes a terrible film. Maybe its just to make a buck, I don't know. Example- I can't believe that the same man that made 2001 and SPARTACUS made EYES WIDE SHUT.

I consider Eyes Wide Shut as rather interesting, and Spartacus unwatchable. Just depends on the viewer I suppose... and the time period the film was made (Spartacus reminds me of a Cecil B DeMille product with all the wooden acting)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Redokt64   (Member)

Paul Verhoeven
SHOWGIRLS

Neil Jordan
HIGH SPIRITS

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Back In Action wasn't perfect (why they can't just let Bugs and Co have fun on their own instead of having to always pair them with humans is beyond me), but it was definitely better than Space Jam, which I know Dante despised and wanted to make up for.

Ironically, he ended up making a movie every bit as crass, soulless and jam-packed with shameless product placements ("Gee, nice of WALMART to give us all this stuff from WALMART just for saying WALMART a bunch of times...!" roll eyes ) as Space Jam. And any "comedy" with Brendan Fraser is guaranteed to be crap. Goldsmith's score was fun, and I liked all of the cameos by 50's movie monsters in the "Area 52" sequence, but otherwise, it was terrible. The Looney Tunes characters died with Mel Blanc. frown

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

And as I've said many times before, Legend is the worst piece of shit Ridley Scott has ever made.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Redokt64   (Member)

And as I've said many times before, Legend is the worst piece of shit Ridley Scott has ever made.



Oh yeah... How could I forget that one? The only saving graces were Mia Sara (to look at), Tim Curry (who chewed up the scenery) and Alex Thomson's cinematography. But, Tom Cruise and his roller-coaster accent... and Ridley Scott who had a real OFF day... Pretty sad.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   L BENDER   (Member)

And as I've said many times before, Legend is the worst piece of shit Ridley Scott has ever made. I totally agree. Ridley Scott is my favorite director,but LEGEND is junk.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I'll take Legend over most of what Ridley Scott's done since the end of the 1990s. Hopefully Prometheus is the return to form I've been waiting years for.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I'll take Legend over most of what Ridley Scott's done since the end of the 1990s. Hopefully Prometheus is the return to form I've been waiting years for.

Black Hawk Down, Matchstick Men and the director's cut of Kingdom Of Heaven are all excellent movies. And Body Of Lies is solid. Granted, Hannibal, Robin Hood and A Good Year were pretty stinky...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2011 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   L BENDER   (Member)

And as I've said many times before, Legend is the worst piece of shit Ridley Scott has ever made. I totally agree. Ridley Scott is my favorite director,but LEGEND is junk.Add Matchstick Men to that list.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   KubrickFan   (Member)

Back In Action wasn't perfect (why they can't just let Bugs and Co have fun on their own instead of having to always pair them with humans is beyond me), but it was definitely better than Space Jam, which I know Dante despised and wanted to make up for.

Ironically, he ended up making a movie every bit as crass, soulless and jam-packed with shameless product placements ("Gee, nice of WALMART to give us all this stuff from WALMART just for saying WALMART a bunch of times...!" roll eyes ) as Space Jam. And any "comedy" with Brendan Fraser is guaranteed to be crap. Goldsmith's score was fun, and I liked all of the cameos by 50's movie monsters in the "Area 52" sequence, but otherwise, it was terrible. The Looney Tunes characters died with Mel Blanc. frown


Come on, you didn't see the joke of the Walmart bit? Even the score was in on that one.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I'll take Legend over most of what Ridley Scott's done since the end of the 1990s. Hopefully Prometheus is the return to form I've been waiting years for.

Black Hawk Down, Matchstick Men and the director's cut of Kingdom Of Heaven are all excellent movies. And Body Of Lies is solid. Granted, Hannibal, Robin Hood and A Good Year were pretty stinky...


For me, Scott's best return to cinema was American Gangster. But he's had a consistent run I'd say. Still need to see the Robin Hood movie.

 
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