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 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The Archie comic line isn't ending. The story where Archie is killed is part of an alternate reality, and not part of the regular Archie comics continuity. Although I don't follow those books, it sounds like they have been recently printing several "imaginary stories" that take place outside continuity, including Riverdale being infested with zombies, and stories that feature the Archie characters as adults.


Archie was in the Lord of the Rings?

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I wouldn't worry, this status quo shouldn't last too long. In fact, I am sure that the Thor we all know and love will have Mjolnir back by the time Avengers 2 hits theaters. From what I have read it sounds like Thor does something that makes him unworthy for the hammer, and his hammer goes to a successor who is worthy. I am sure the result is that Thor has to go on a hero's journey of sorts and win back his right to wield the hammer. Which I can pretty much guarantee he will. That said, the concept sounds intriguing, and the author of this upcoming storyline has been writing Thor for a while, and he is doing a great job on the book. So it will be interesting to see what happens.

I suspect part of the reason for this is that not too long ago in the Spider-Man books, Doctor Octopus took over Peter Parker's body and become a new and different Spider-Man. This storyline was a big success for Marvel, and gave them a huge jump in sales, particularly when Peter reclaimed his body. Similarly, it looks like someone other than Steve Rogers will be the new Captain America. Again, it is a temporary move, and not the first time Steve Rogers was replaced by another person who became Captain America. Although like Thor, I am sure Rogers will be back as Captain America in time for Avengers 2.


But Marvel is saying this IS Thor. Not someone replacing Thor. Which leads to the next problem. Last I knew Thor was a God and Gods are "male" deities.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

But Marvel is saying this IS Thor. Not someone replacing Thor.

Right, just like Doc Ock WAS Spider-man recently, and just like Dick Grayson WAS Batman while Bruce Wayne was "dead," and just like six different characters have been Robin. Just like every comic book character that is confirmed by the comics companies as dead ends up coming back from whatever alternate dimension they were hiding in (Superman, Batman, Jason Todd, recently the Human Torch, soon Wolverine).

In the comic books, Thor's origin is a mortal body with the spirit of a God, BTW - this was retconned later, but comic books have a way of making whatever story they want to tell work within the realms of their baffling decades-long continuities. If they say that this new character in their fictional imaginary story IS Thor, then that will be the case.

If having Thor be another character will give new shades to stories involving that superhero, generate buzz, and draw more women and girls into the world of comics, then Marvel is doing its job.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Don't you boys remember Beta Ray Bill? He replaced Thor as Thunder God way back in 1983! Walt Simonson's run on THOR is still considered the book's peak achievement. I'm sure at least someone here has read or is at least fleetingly familiar with it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


If having Thor be another character will give new shades to stories involving that superhero, generate buzz, and draw more women and girls into the world of comics, then Marvel is doing its job.


There are plenty of well established female superheros. Or they can make a new female superhero. This isn't necessary, or even makes sense. But I will agree with one thing, it is a publicity stunt to bring more attention to the Marvel universe. Yet to be seen if it is a success or backfires.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

In the time when Nick Fury and Perry White are black, Jor-el rides an Avatar Dragon and Spock and Uhura are doing it, all one can say is,

"Welcome to the land of movie bullshit and have a nice day!"

The studios know that the majority of today's film going audiences will buy and pay for any shit they can throw at them. And the louder and where more and more stuff blows up and buildings fall, the better!

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The studios know that the majority of today's film going audiences will buy and pay for any shit they can throw at them. And the louder and where more and more stuff blows up and buildings fall, the better!

Don't forget The Zimmer. And His Clones. Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of Zimmer and His clones. (though I must admit I rather liked his first Sherlock Holmes score, even if the movie was anything but Sherlock Holmes).

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

I wouldn't worry, this status quo shouldn't last too long. In fact, I am sure that the Thor we all know and love will have Mjolnir back by the time Avengers 2 hits theaters. From what I have read it sounds like Thor does something that makes him unworthy for the hammer, and his hammer goes to a successor who is worthy. I am sure the result is that Thor has to go on a hero's journey of sorts and win back his right to wield the hammer. Which I can pretty much guarantee he will. That said, the concept sounds intriguing, and the author of this upcoming storyline has been writing Thor for a while, and he is doing a great job on the book. So it will be interesting to see what happens.

I suspect part of the reason for this is that not too long ago in the Spider-Man books, Doctor Octopus took over Peter Parker's body and become a new and different Spider-Man. This storyline was a big success for Marvel, and gave them a huge jump in sales, particularly when Peter reclaimed his body. Similarly, it looks like someone other than Steve Rogers will be the new Captain America. Again, it is a temporary move, and not the first time Steve Rogers was replaced by another person who became Captain America. Although like Thor, I am sure Rogers will be back as Captain America in time for Avengers 2.


But Marvel is saying this IS Thor. Not someone replacing Thor. Which leads to the next problem. Last I knew Thor was a God and Gods are "male" deities.


From the author himself:

CBR News: Jason, the big news is that a new volume of "Thor" launches in October and its protagonist is female. I understand you have to be wary of spoilers here, but what can you tell us about the new title character? Has Thor been transformed? Or has another character received Thor's powers?

Jason Aaron: The latter. This is not the Thor we knew transformed into a woman. This is a new character; someone else picking up the hammer. I knew when I took over Thor that at some point I wanted to do a Beta Ray Bill-style story about somebody else wielding the hammer for awhile. It took me awhile to figure out what kind of story that should be and who the character should be.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54083

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The studios know that the majority of today's film going audiences will buy and pay for any shit they can throw at them. And the louder and where more and more stuff blows up and buildings fall, the better!

Don't forget The Zimmer. And His Clones. Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of Zimmer and His clones. (though I must admit I rather liked his first Sherlock Holmes score, even if the movie was anything but Sherlock Holmes).


That's what I found funny about that documentary on the other side of the board. Zimmer isn't writing anything I would want to listen too, as they put it on my cheap ass computer speakers much less an expensive sound system. Maybe if they compose something worthy of something more than an MP3 they might have a point.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

Don't forget The Zimmer. And His Clones. Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of Zimmer and His clones. (though I must admit I rather liked his first Sherlock Holmes score, even if the movie was anything but Sherlock Holmes).

Has Zimmer been getting work lately? I must have missed it.....

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

In the time when Nick Fury and Perry White are black, Jor-el rides an Avatar Dragon and Spock and Uhura are doing it, all one can say is,

"Welcome to the land of movie bullshit and have a nice day!"



Also keep in mind that the oldies like ourselves (well, you) actually remember the comic books and how the characters were supposed to be whereas the young folk who form the Conga Line of Death in order to throw billions of dollars at this crap haven't the slightest notion that a comic book has anything to do with the movies. Most young folk nowadays know the likes of Batman and Thor from their pissed-up Batman or Thor bed sheets, cartoons, spiral notebooks, and whatever other merchandising they've been inundated with.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Don't you boys remember Beta Ray Bill? He replaced Thor as Thunder God way back in 1983! Walt Simonson's run on THOR is still considered the book's peak achievement. I'm sure at least someone here has read or is at least fleetingly familiar with it.

Bought 'em as they came out! Simonson did for Thor what Frank Miller did for Daredevil: made a fading character relevant and exciting again.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Don't you boys remember Beta Ray Bill? He replaced Thor as Thunder God way back in 1983! Walt Simonson's run on THOR is still considered the book's peak achievement. I'm sure at least someone here has read or is at least fleetingly familiar with it.

Bought 'em as they came out! Simonson did for Thor what Frank Miller did for Daredevil: made a fading character relevant and exciting again.


I commend your good taste! The epic power of those stories--particularly the first two years--was outstanding. I've never been big on the more fantastical elements--I preferred the Batman/Daredevil side of super-hero books--but Simonson's tales were just too damn good to pass up and I adored them. Before that, I was a fan of Simonson's after having seen his work in Marvel's Star Wars comic, which I still think is MUCH better than fandom gives it credit for.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I'll call her Thora.

big grin

But you're just following the Hird.


"ouch!" You deserve the Birch for that.


You guys are AWESOME!!! smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Don't you boys remember Beta Ray Bill? He replaced Thor as Thunder God way back in 1983! Walt Simonson's run on THOR is still considered the book's peak achievement. I'm sure at least someone here has read or is at least fleetingly familiar with it.

Bought 'em as they came out! Simonson did for Thor what Frank Miller did for Daredevil: made a fading character relevant and exciting again.


I commend your good taste! The epic power of those stories--particularly the first two years--was outstanding. I've never been big on the more fantastical elements--I preferred the Batman/Daredevil side of super-hero books--but Simonson's tales were just too damn good to pass up and I adored them.


Same here. Never read Thor till Walt took over! There was a lot of hype after #337 came out. Suddenly it was "the" issue everybody wanted, that shops sold out of overnight. After years of Uncanny X-Men and then Daredevil dominating Marvel's sales, there was a new contender!

Before that, I was a fan of Simonson's after having seen his work in Marvel's Star Wars comic, which I still think is MUCH better than fandom gives it credit for.

Marvel's Star Wars had some legitimately cool stories (not to mention Jaxxon, haha) that were "out there" because there were no guidelines they had to adhere to. It was open season. All they had to do was build a quick segue into and out of the movie storylines. Great stuff if you're a fan of the '70s!

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

Walt also revamped the Manhunter character over at DC. That work is still a classic.


But some one else using that hammer....mmmm...been there done that...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Don't you boys remember Beta Ray Bill? He replaced Thor as Thunder God way back in 1983! Walt Simonson's run on THOR is still considered the book's peak achievement. I'm sure at least someone here has read or is at least fleetingly familiar with it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill


Twas great indeed! Only a dullard twould consider it less.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

And Captain Amercia is handed over to a black character!

http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/16/5878527/marvel-is-replacing-steve-rogers-with-the-first-black-captain-america

Marvel is really pulling out all the stops for cheap publicity.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

This is nothing new. More than a decade ago with the "Red, White, and Black" story, they ran a Tuskegee-inspired series in which they experimented with the Super Soldier serum on black soldiers in the 40s, and a black Captain America was introduced. There has also already been a female Captain America, female Hawkeye, not to mention all the cognate characters like Batgirl, Batwoman, Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, etc.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I haven't read a superhero comic since the mid 70's. Guess I'm far behind the ball!

 
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