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 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

"Feed meh, Seymour... feeeed meh."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Starship Troopers was pretty good, agree with another poster that would be Thor that the satire / propoganda element is a lot of what made the ridiculousness of it work so well.



Another vote for this point of view. Sci-fi "man vs bug" films are ten-a-penny, but a film that manages also to introduce a modern take on fascist propaganda (on the part of the good guys, don't forget) it sets it well apart.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Meh. I'm a pretty big Star Wars guy, but Boba Fett... I just never got the appeal. The Boba-mania never clicked with me.


Is he the only SW character whose Kenner action figure pre-dated his onscreen appearance?

(--Or did it? He first appeared in the TV Holiday Special, I think. But is that "official"?)

I thought his "origin story" was "Attack of the Clones."

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

I thought his "origin story" was "Attack of the Clones."

The character has at-least two origin stories (and I think it may be three). The Attack of the Clones version is completely different from prior off-screen established one from novels and such. None of it is the same. You can Google if it your interested in the details but basically after leaving his origins to secondary authors for years the Big Cheese stepped in and wrote a new one and disavowed the old story he had been making licensing money off of for years. Some fans totally freaked and it is a big reason for a lot of Attack of the Clones hate speak.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

The satire elements of Starship Troopers is part of the charm of that movie. That said; I could totally get behind a new theatrical spin on the book. They would need to do the starships, the suits, and the bugs and have a good screenplay. Sounds too expensive to become a reality. It will probably suck.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

A Boba Fett movie has been gossipped about for over a decade....it has the potential to be fascinating.


KATEE SACKHOFFF---the star of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA is lobbying for a role in a Batman sequel, "I think I might give away my firstborn to have an opportunity to play Harley Quinn."

My Inner Geek started screaming "YES!!!!!!"

Chances are it won't happen, but it would cool beyond words.


Ford A. Thaxton


Mine just has an orgasm whenever Katee Sackhoff is mentioned.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

The satire elements of Starship Troopers is part of the charm of that movie. That said; I could totally get behind a new theatrical spin on the book. They would need to do the starships, the suits, and the bugs and have a good screenplay. Sounds too expensive to become a reality. It will probably suck.


Even when I see the movie now, I don't see how any part of it could be improved upon (and by that I mean the sets, bugs, ships, etc. etc).
I just fail to understand why Zack Sentz and cohorts couldn't grow a pair and tackle a different RAH novel. For instance, it would be a far more worthwhile effort to take a shot at "Stranger In A Strange Land". Even if it ended up a failure, it would probably be at least an INTERESTING failure.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

MAXIM---Eva Longoria was chosen as the magazine's Woman of the Year.

I've slept with better.


How much did she cost?

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2014 - 11:30 PM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)



As for the Star Wars comic license going to Marvel, it's kind of sad. Dark Horse Comics will have been its home for the last 24 years when it switches in 2015. The current ongoing comic, simply titled Star Wars, is terrific and is exactly the kind of book I've been wanting from Dark Horse for years now. Will be sad to see it end already halfway through its second year.


"Star Wars" is a great book, which is the first Star Wars comic I have bought in a very long time. I am not sure the book would have made it to 2015 regardless of whether Dark Horse retained the rights. The series author (Brian Wood) is only committed to writing 20 issues of the book, and the series is up to at least issue #11. Whoever replaces Wood has some big shoes to fill. I have also heard great things about "The Star Wars" which is an alternate take on Star Wars using Lucas' original script. I will likely pick that up in trade paperback.

Personally, I am cautiously optimistic about Marvel handling the Star Wars license. Lucasfilm has done a pretty good job keeping continuity under control throughout the expanded universe of comics and novels, and I am sure that will continue when the license goes to Marvel. I am also sure that Marvel will place their top talent on the Star Wars related books it publishes. They have some great people under exclusive contract, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with. With Marvel taking over in 2015, I am sure many of the books will feature stories taking place during and around Episode VII. Hopefully, Marvel will also feature some series taking place between Episodes IV through VI.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)



If this is hot you need to recalibrate.
Then again US-males seem to get turned on by almost everything not male. Women kissing, playboy TV slomo sex, terminally boring. Even watching sports is more arousing (i.e. almost to a comatose level) than that.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

On the other hand, with a title like MONTEZUMA, a lot of people might think it's about the U.S. Marines. "From the halls of Montezuma, etc...."

Which would be misleading.


I'll just wait for the sequel, where Montezuma gets his, er, vengeance. wink

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Regarding Marvel getting exclusive rights to Star Wars comics. Disney owns Star Wars and Marvel correct? So how do you give yourself exclusive rights to that which you already own?

The property has been licensed to Dark Horse for, like, a quarter century. That license apparently has expired and Dark Horse probably wasn't able to offer enough to renew it.


Well, that and the fact that they can't compete with the fact Marvel and Lucasfilm are now part of the same corporate ownership, which is obviously the important factor here. Marvel couldn't just up and start doing Star Wars titles right away when Disney acquired Lucasfilm in 2012, since existing licenses and contracts and whatnot have to be honored of course, but it was only a matter of time. But yes, before Disney bought Lucasfilm, Dark Horse had already been publishing comics based on Lucasfilm properties (not just Star Wars, but Indiana Jones as well) for over two decades (gads, I'm old).

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Dark Horse has indeed been pretty good to Star Wars over the years (since their Lucasfilm publishing campaign began with Star Wars: Dark Empire back in the early '90s), but of course Marvel itself was the very first publisher of Star Wars comics, with a monthly series (bi-monthly towards the end) that began with a six-part adaptation of the original movie (that started in March of '77, a couple months before the movie was released) and went on for almost ten years, hitting issue #107 in 1986. There were also three annuals and a separate 4-issue adaptation of Star Wars - Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (Star Wars - Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back was adapted within the main series' run, like the original movie), plus spin-off series based on the Droids and Ewoks cartoons from 1985.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

I thought his "origin story" was "Attack of the Clones."

The character has at-least two origin stories (and I think it may be three). The Attack of the Clones version is completely different from prior off-screen established one from novels and such. None of it is the same. You can Google if it your interested in the details but basically after leaving his origins to secondary authors for years the Big Cheese stepped in and wrote a new one and disavowed the old story he had been making licensing money off of for years. Some fans totally freaked and it is a big reason for a lot of Attack of the Clones hate speak.[/endquote

As far as I'm concerned, only the movies matter. I don't care what's in the (usually badly written-yes I tried a few of the early ones) books or comics and still less for computer games.

To paraphrase, it's George's universe, and everyone just gets to play in it-if he says something is what it is, then that's how it stays!

And the comment about him making money off someone else's ideas? So what? Just cos some fat sweaty fan boy threw a hissy fit on the internet doesn't mean his opinion counts for sh*t.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

As far as I'm concerned, only the movies matter.

Star Wars has a very unfortunate system of "canon". Whereas Star Trek takes exactly the route you describe (only movies and TV shows count - though the animated series is up in the air still), Star Wars has levels of just how legitimate it is. I suppose its to appease the fanboys who want to feel justified that their love of Old Republic videogames is acknowledged by some inane detail.

But the chief source of Star Wars hoopla is thus: All original films, all original screenplays and (surprisingly) the Radio Dramas (which are themselves sourced from the original screenplays).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Canon is a real straight-jacket for the writers. I recall Ron Moore talking about how hard it was to write stories for Star Trek because the parameters of that universe had been detailed so completely in 'the bible' and the TOS and movies. I always thought it was a mistake for JJ Abrams to 'reboot' Star Trek with the same characters. I think a bolder more interesting choice would be to use elements of the Star Trek universe, ships, the government maybe the enemies that came before, but create a wholly new set of characters, and not use the Enterprise. That would have required more bravery on the part of Paramount though. And they were not capable of that. If there were to be a series that would be the way to go, something entirely different.

I always regarded as Star Wars more successful at spectacle and a small amount of character lore. I think it is rather boring to get deeper and deeper into the Skywalker clan or something, I thought it defanged the myth of Darth Vader to have movies explore the origins of him, with perfectly handsome faced Hayden. Ie. I found out that Darth was such a handsome guy.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Canon is a real straight-jacket for the writers

Not really - but yes.

Canon is a tricky subject. What it *actually* is is not what its perceived as. Canon is nothing more than writer's rules that have to be followed to keep things in check. The Enterprise runs on warp power and Dana Scully has a background in medical science - these are canon and are in the writer's bibles. Its basically saying "Heres the box. You can play in it but you can't go out of it." Different shows have different amounts of flexibility - Gene Roddenberry's instance that there be no interpersonal conflict on TNG is a (pardon my saying this) fucking writing and dramatic absurdity - but all retain some amount of logical grounding in the writing to make it all "stick together".

Unfortunately, the internet grabbed hold of the word "canon" and made it into something that its not: a litmus test for idiots and assholes. Where thirty years ago, fans would laugh at a Klingon ship having rear-firing torpedo bays in TMP, today they would go batshit crazy and write a ton of angry emails with improperly spelled cursewords about HOW DARE PARAMOUNT / DIRECTOR / WRITER / PRODUCER RUIN THIS VERY IMPORTANT PART OF MY FANDOM and then justify their ire in the stupidest ways possible (ie: Klingons can't have rear firing weapons because they'd have used them in episode 1x26!).

And not to throw stones per se but people like Joss Whedon have made it all the more difficult in that sense as they seem to let the fans have sway (or at least feel they have a say) on their characters. More than one character on Buffy came back because they were popular on the internet and why not give people what they want? (Answer: because for the most part, people are blithering idiots)

I appreciate Ron Moore's complaints on Star Trek having issues with its canon (it is probably the most over-detailed and picked-over franchise in the history of Mankind) and so I can appreciate why they needed to reboot it. On the other hand, Moore made the Battlestar Galactica remake which was rife in arbitrary writing, so I'm not sure he's a good person to cite.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

hey Lehah.

Lots of good points there, yes, in many ways Star Trek was/is a victim of it's own overly detailed canon, writers bible, as well as just the sheer amount of hours of it that is produced. Star Trek's produced hours by far dwarf Star Wars, which is good and bad depending on how you look at it.

I think that Ron Moore made some remarkably good stories for TNG especially the ones that developed the Klingon and Romulan characters and background. He found ways to create drama in his own way, and he was a better writer than Braga overall.

On the reboot end, I think JJ clearly wanted to move Star Trek into the Star Wars spectacle end of things, which is ironically what Star Trek was not really ever about. I think it might have been a more effective approach with entirely new characters, disposing of the ties to the past. In theory his new timeline approach freed the writers, but --not actually.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Star Trek's fortunes will wax and wane, as they always have. Having hard times while building a stellar reputation; making millions with a "spectacle adaptation" that keeps it guaranteed the franchise must go on out of simple corporate inertia.

Star Trek's fortunes have always been highly ironic, just like many of the best episodes of the original show and TNG.

MONTEZUMA sounds like a kick-ass idea. Spielberg has to jump back on the spectacle train sometime, and not in a studio.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)



If this is hot you need to recalibrate.
Then again US-males seem to get turned on by almost everything not male. Women kissing, playboy TV slomo sex, terminally boring. Even watching sports is more arousing (i.e. almost to a comatose level) than that.

D.S.


I agree that a lot of things (and women) said to be sexy in the US are a big (or anorexic) zero to me, but if you don't like women kissing, that's your problem. More accurately, it's a matter of taste. I found Eva attractive... until I heard an interview with her. She seems to be a good, and humble, person. She's just painfully annoying as well.

 
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