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the definition of unintentional comedy. But I can understand deaf people not being happy about this.
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Dec 13, 2013 - 10:44 PM
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dan the man
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WHAT is such a childish response to me. Like your on another planet and nobody can disagree with you.Like there are not millions of moderates or conservatives or just plain people who might not like people who associate with the communist party through their life or have extreme pro abortion viewpoints leading to a genocide. Like, yeah man real big difference, a infant just coming out of a mother's womb and the same life a few months before, I mean you kill it, either way it's deny living 80 or so years. Big difference., like time will decide the moral logic of a person's actions. I mean it's one thing having a viewpoint it's another thing being shock or surprised and so ignorant about the world you live in that many people don't quite think the heroes you make are really the wonderful people you make them to be. Like another bozo a few weeks ago people making a hero out of. Yeah I wonder how much money that man gave to the mob with all those hookers he was with in the 50's and 60's in Las Vegas, Got a good one John boy for you tonight and spread your blood money to the drug guys in the big cities yes where did that money go? let me see- .You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.People too often just want to see a censored version of people they want to make heroes out of. Of course even if any of this was not true which of course it is, [by the way did anyone see Mandela with Castro raising his hand like in some joyous victory manner?] I would like to leave this with you guys, if a person was making a point of how wrong it is to pick on somebody simply because of their color of their skin, why would they be so ignorant on killing millions and millions of lives because of size or a few months difference in one's life span?
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Really, have you no respect for the dead?
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Imagine that: you live to the ripe age of 95, spend a considerable number of those years in prison, free a country from Apartheid - only to have an impostor as sign language interpreter at your memorial.
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Mandela was a freedom fighter before he was jailed. Quite rightlly, he came to the conclusion that peaceful means were incapable of influencing a brutal South African Government. He was jailed for 27 years. When released he worked for a unified South Africa and had no bitterness towards the people who had denied him 27 years of his life and oppressed the black majority. Truly a great man. IMO the main critisism of him is that he left the white minority still holding massive economic power whilst many black people continued to live in poverty.
Rest In Peace, Madiba.
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Imagine that: you live to the ripe age of 95, spend a considerable number of those years in prison, free a country from Apartheid - only to have an impostor as sign language interpreter at your memorial.
The Secret Service must have NOT been amused by the fact that the South African Government had someone they did not probably screen stand right next to Obama like that.
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Dan the man, stop pissing in this thread. Stay out of it. You have crapped in several RIP threads. It's tasteless and rude. If I see you in this thread again, your account will be suspended for a time. If you don't think I'm serious, try me.
DSS
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You're overheated Dan.
Note that both Bush was present in the memorial service, and the Dems, and heads of state from all over the joint.
Without getting political, you need to stop expecting absolute perfection from people. There's a psychological term, the 'good-enough parent'. Perfect parents are as impossible to find as they'd be dangerous if they existed!
Mandela did as well as anyone could ever be expected, and in power (or confronting power) there are moral ambiguities. Look at what's happening all over Africa, in S. Africa, Western Sahara, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Namibia, Mozambique, the Sahel, North and South Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Equatorial New Guinea, Nigeria, Ethiopia, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Kenya, Mali, Algeria, Senegal, Rwanda, Namibia, Niger, Somalia, Lesotho, Liberia, Chad, Ivory Coast, Sierra Leone .... these are only the most PUBLICISED flashpoints and tragedies in a continent still dominated unconsciously by old tribal and feudal systems, foreign exploitation, post-colonialism .....
You can get rid of the systems, but the old 'big chief' mentalities are still there, people become easily corrupted by power, and misappropriate the wealth they think they're entitled to. Mandela NEVER did that, he was a truly 20th Century leader in a thinly veiled still feudal continent. Have you any idea of the immensity of that milieu and its problems? D'you think people can be pure as the driven snow in negotiating it? He tried to pull stuff kicking and screaming into modernity.
Add to that the hassles he had in prison, with the ghastly Apartheid, with all the problems of poverty, militant Islam, malaria, a ferocious AIDS pandemic across the continent, dark occult stuff, genital mutilations ... it's endless. He had a go at tackling them all.
And with poverty levels as great as they are, do you begrudge his examining every option, including Marxism and birth control along the way? By the way, have you ever actually MET a Communist? They don't all have horns.
Having watched the N. Irish thing, I'm no friend of terrorists, but the straitjacket the ANC faced was far greater than we westerners in our ivory towers know anything about. Besides, he renounced violence anyhow.
And 'nil nisi bonum' anyhow. It looks like you're getting your strings pulled somewhere Dan, this isn't the real you. Bottom line is, Mandela suffered and did well. He was a 'hero' figurehead, he took up his cross and never relinquished it and was a true peacemaker.
You can't live in polarised naivete about how things get achieved. He did far better than most. Cartainly far better than any of us.
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