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 Posted:   Sep 21, 2008 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I had tears in my eyes as the top of the ninth began, and the satisfaction of winning this one is probably greater than any regular season victory I've seen in 32 years of watching Yankee games.

Anz, I hope the last game at Shea is as perfect for you as this one was for Yankee fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Thanks Eric.

I applaud ESPN for staying with the closing coverage after the game ended, when the Yankee players saluted the fans and walked around the ballpark as a team for the last time.

I do agree with what Mike Francesa said on his radio show on WFAN today.
This final game at Yankee Stadium, along with all the dramatic pre and post game festivities should have been available on free over the air tv in the NY area.
Believe it or not even in 2008, there are those fans who still only have over the air tv, and many of them are loyal Yankee/ baseball fans who quite simply cannot afford cable or satellite tv.


This historic event at Yankee Stadium should have been televised on free tv in the NY Metro area .

The ceremony was well done.

Kudos to the Yankees and the staff that put it all together.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Unfortunately I think there's a clause in the contracts that keeps a game that's on ESPN from being carried on another channel unless its a postseason game when an allowance does get made. I would have preferred that the game had remained a day game and that ESPN had been frozen out altogether but that alas is a comment on the nuances of the big money TV contracts baseball takes for granted now which also is the reason why we'll never have a day World Series game again.
 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

I neglected to mention another very special moment for me from the ceremonies last night.

The shot of Yogi Berra standing alone at home plate amongst all the applause was priceless.

It's sad to think that Yogi, and Whitey Ford are really the last of the "golden age" Yankee greats that are still with us today.

Yogi Berra is another one of those amazing stories in baseball.
You look at him, he's not a big man, not imposing, and then you look at the record books and see the standard of excellence he provided the Yankees behind the plate for so many years.
And you are just in awe of the man and his accomplishments.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

Unfortunately I think there's a clause in the contracts that keeps a game that's on ESPN from being carried on another channel unless its a postseason game when an allowance does get made. I would have preferred that the game had remained a day game and that ESPN had been frozen out altogether but that alas is a comment on the nuances of the big money TV contracts baseball takes for granted now which also is the reason why we'll never have a day World Series game again.


Post season games can't be televised locally. They used to have local stations simulcast the ESPN (and before that ABC family) feed, but TBS has exclusivity now and they aren't simulcasted.

And thank goodness there's no world series day game, half the people interested in it would be forced to lose pay, or miss it!

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

If TBS took away that feature that doesn't speak well of them. Those without cable should not be shut out of their own team's postseason run.

And day games for the WS are needed for Saturday games at least. Those of us on the east coast should not have to see games ending after midnight which is denying a generation of kids the ability to see WS games the way their parents did (when smuggling in radios to school was part of the WS tradition when all the games were played in the day).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

If TBS took away that feature that doesn't speak well of them. Those without cable should not be shut out of their own team's postseason run.

Those without cable probably have bigger problems then watching sports....anyway, TBS paid big $ for those rights, it's not their responsibility to give away their product for free. Blame MLB for giving them the exclusivity.



And day games for the WS are needed for Saturday games at least. Those of us on the east coast should not have to see games ending after midnight which is denying a generation of kids the ability to see WS games the way their parents did (when smuggling in radios to school was part of the WS tradition when all the games were played in the day).

There does seem to be more commercials, probably because of more pitching changes. Starting the games earlier isn't the answer though. 5pm is plenty early enough. Of course what they should do is start them at 7pm local time like the regular season, but that will never happen.

The games are just plain long, and that kind of makes them more 'epic' than the regular season. big grin I for one think it's exciting, especially when they go extras.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I personally think MLB's sale of that kind of exclusivity to TBS is another example of how stupid their whole history of doing TV contracts has been since 1990. I grew up in the 70s and 80s when there was a wonderful rhythmic symmetry to postseason baseball. ABC did the All Star Game and playoffs one year, NBC did the World Series, next year you reversed it. This allowed MLB to have max exposure on multiple networks in the same way the NFL has always benefited from being on more than one network (in contrast to sports like basketball or hockey), and you also had great announcing teams like Al Michaels-Tim McCarver-Jim Palmer on ABC, Vin Scully-Joe Garagiola and Bob Costas-Tony Kubek on NBC.

But then in 1990, thanks to the stupidity of then commissioner Peter Ueberroth (the same idiot who encouraged the owners to engage in collusion), baseball decided to given exclusivity to CBS, severing a 42 year relationship with NBC and more importantly allowed CBS to scale back regular season broadcasts by eliminating the traditional Game Of The Week. The end result was more upfront cash for the sake of cheapening baseball's overall nationwide exposure and they haven't recovered from this since, and only compounded it with bad TV contracts ever since (the late 90s at least when NBC was partly back in for the postseason only was the only time they regained their sanity a little bit). In the end, they have never made a single decision based on the interests of the fans and cared only about squeezing extra nickles for the here and now.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

But 1990 also has TONS of games on ESPN.


I for one liked being able to watch other teams besides the braves and cubs when my team wasn't on TV, plus I got some bonus Angel games that way, the Angels only started teleivising all their games in the past few years, and if the Angels weren't televising a particular game and ESPN had it, the ESPN telecast wouldn't be blacked out here. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2008 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

ESPN's production quality was a big step down from the standard ABC and NBC had in the 80s IMO (I have always disliked Miller and Morgan). Plus, when you take your product off one of the big networks you lose all the cross-promotion for the sport that being on that network would give you.

The Saturday Game Of The Week was always the real tradition of seeing teams from all over the country and what's more, when NBC did it, it was not the way FOX does it, where EVERY week you always get your local team no matter what.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2008 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Nice send-off for The Stadium. It was undeniably moving. Even I got choked up! Some omissions were surprising, though. No Clemens--okay, that's not surprising--but no Bucky Dent in the highlights? I know he hit the homerun in Boston, but he was the 1978 WS MVP and is a fan favorite. Funny that "Mr. May" was even there, but why no Rickey Henderson?

I had to laugh at Wade Boggs acting like "Mr. Yankee", but I guess since he got the ring in NY he couldn't get in Beantown, "adopted" kids love their parents more. wink

And the last thing I'd like to add is this bit of trivia: In 2003, the Florida Marlins were the last team to win a championship in Yankee Stadium.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2008 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

I have to agree about Wade Boggs.

He was a guy that was not a real Yankee that suddenly got embraced by the fans in those winning years.

It was all about getting a ring for himself in the twilight of his career.
I'm not a Yankee fan, but seeing Boggs in a Yankee uniform was always a bit strange.
When he was riding on the back of the horse with the NYPD cop and pumping his fist it was (to me) one of the most over the top moments in baseball history.

I guess you could say the same thing about Gary Carter when he came in a trade to the Mets. But in 1985, the Mets were still a young unproven team and nothing was set in stone with winning anything at that time.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2008 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I have to speak in Boggs' defense. He had been cut loose by the Red Sox after 92 after falling to .260 and was considered washed-up by the experts. He came to the Yankees in '93 when we were still in our drought, and not only did he resume hitting over .300 but he also improved his fielding dramatically, becoming a Gold-Glove third baseman which was a far cry from his early Red Sox days when had a rep as a good-hit no-field player. He was part of the mix in the Showalter era that helped turn the team's mentality around from what it had been before which sets him apart from the likes of a Clemens who was coming over to hitch himself to an ongoing run of championships.

The ultimate act of his being a true team player was the 96 season when he swallowed his pride and accepted a demotion to platoon status with Charlie Hayes in the stretch run and didn't let it affect him, and being there ultimately for the most important walk ever in a World Series game in that dramatic Game 4 against the Braves which is one of the greatest moments in Yankees WS history.

Clemens I will grant you was a mercenary and his Yankee accomplishments I have to sadly regard as tainted to a degree. That's not the case with Boggs, who like other veteran stars from other teams like Strawberry, Chili Davis and Tim Raines, knew how to become part of the great team.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2008 - 10:38 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Clemens was ignored at the closing ceremony, and I guess that was a decision the "decision makers" in charge had to make .

After all, who needed to hear a cascade of boos from the crowd when the guy was shown on the Diamondvision scoreboard during the closing ceremonies .

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2008 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

Someone call 9-11..........the METS are choking.$&*(&$(#&$!@^#

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2008 - 4:49 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Clemens was ignored at the closing ceremony, and I guess that was a decision the "decision makers" in charge had to make .

After all, who needed to hear a cascade of boos from the crowd when the guy was shown on the Diamondvision scoreboard during the closing ceremonies .

...And then there's that positively bizarre incident when the "Rocket" skipped Piazza's bat during the 2000 WS. wink



If the tropical storms delay this weekend's ballgames, perhaps the Mets can get Santana rested enough to start sometime next week. Either way, the Mets, along with the Brewers are similar with regards to their ailing pitching staffs. Sabathia has been huge for that team! And while Santana has been the "Stopper" for a few Met losing skids, one has to wonder how many decent relievers they could have signed with that same $137 million...

And Anz, I'd be curious as to your thoughts on Minaya's four-year contract extension...

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2008 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Los Angeles Dodgers have clinched the NL West Division with Arizona's loss to the Cardinals. Congrats to Joe Torre!!!

Here's the 2007 WS ring that the Red Sox got. It's no Marlins ring, but they at least got something for trouncing the Rockies...wink
 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2008 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

Yeowza! That is some bling of a ring.big grin)

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2008 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Clemens was ignored at the closing ceremony, and I guess that was a decision the "decision makers" in charge had to make.


Strictly an approach of "better safe than sorry" on their part. That's also why it would have been folly to have mentioned the name of Jim Leyritz in any way during a video montage or acknowledged his two big HRs because Leyritz shamed himself even more than Clemens did.

OTOH, they should have had a montage of great managers so Torre could have been spotlighted on the screen. And that also goes for Ralph Houk, the manager of the 61 team, who is still very much alive but I imagine would not have been able to travel. Nonetheless he should have gotten some acknowledgment too IMO.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2008 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

Go PHILS!

 
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