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I thought it was really interesting writing.
And it's all in the vein of 'redemption loops'. In the transcendent omnipresent, all time and space are one and we can revisit and maybe 'redeem' past mistakes: 'Before Abraham was, I am'. Classic religious myth. Redeemer goes back and removes evil, so that it is not.
And the Doctor is still Hermes, both the old man and the trickster.
And the hint of a theory that we're all just the one person being endlessly recycled in the loops of ultimate dimensions. Buddhists, Vedantists, they'd have no problem with the concept.
But good writing, to get the idea redone in so many versions, and they've done it again.
I did giggle at the line that went something like, 'Can you imagine the Americans with a space/time re-writer? Have you seen their movies...?'
Hell, they even got a subplot in about the individual and the negative narcissist who destroys the universe. 'I am the destroyer of worlds.' Baghavad Gita 'n all.
It's a redemption myth. The rest is just Maguffins.
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As for why he (Eccleston) left Doctor Who - a quote from an acting masterclass he did 2 years ago: "I left Doctor Who because I could not get along with the senior people. I didn’t agree with the way things were being run.
I thought to remain, which would have made me a lot of money and given me huge visibility, the price I would have had to pay was to eat a lot of shit.
It’s easy to find a job when you’ve got no morals. You can go, ‘Yeah, yeah. That doesn’t matter. That director can bully that prop man and I won’t say anything about it
I left because of politics. I did not see eye-to-eye with them.
I didn't like the culture that had grown up around the series. So I left over a principle."
Shame, big big shame...
Why's it a shame? He was the least Mercurial and in-character of all the doctors, though he's a great, great actor in his own right.
I can see his point, but what is there to do? If you write something that has a bit of profundity, and has 'serious' undertones, then you always run the risk of the Klingon-speaking Maguffin-lovers, that's par for the course, but even they are 'loyal fans' to whom one should be grateful. But that's not everybody anyway. On the other hand, if you keep it all light and minus philosophy, then what's the point really, except as a bit of fluff? What should matter is, 'Is it good?' irrespective of what some eedyits make of it.
But if he's angry at prop people being shouted at by directors and production people, then he's not been on many film-sets. And since we know he HAS been on many film-sets, we wonder why he's highlighting that.
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I just want to know how they got from the time vortex thingie in "Name of the Doctor" to the start of the 50th, where Clara is teaching at the school and everyone goes about their business. Unless it's intended to be some sort of prequel to that episode, happening earlier in the doctor's timeline. And then they've all forgotten everything (which seems to be implied in the dialogue) when they fall into the time vortex. If that is the case, I expect the Christmas episode to kick off where "The Name of the Doctor" episode left off.
I really doubt it. I mean what is there to show anyway. They got out...they left... And apparently enough time passes that Clara becomes a teacher and The Doctor is now completely at ease with her that he talks to her often about The Time War (which he never did) and teaches her how to close the TARDIS with the snap of a finger.
There is no way The Day Of The Doctor precedes the events of The Name Of The Doctor, and since the X-Mas special will be the last Matt Smith one, I can't take place after.
Moffat timejumps a LOT more then RTD. Apparently, for Amy and Rory over 10 years passed traveling with The Doctor. The Doctor himself went from being 900 years old to being 1200 years...
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Nov 25, 2013 - 9:16 AM
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Yeah, but that wouldn't really make sense.
That would imply they just bumped into the Hurt doctor in the cave, said hello, went off and started over again with their lives. Also, the 50th presents their meeting as the first time they see each other.
Either this is HUGE and massive plot hole, or the whole thing takes place BEFORE "The Name of the Doctor" (in some adventure between other episodes), and then when they go back to their timeline, they forget about the whole thing. But then, the meeting in the cave would make no sense as the Hurt doctor has regenerated since then and it's no point in presenting him as the big and bad warrior doctor.
I've searched the net, but curiously there is NO mention of this discrepancy. Either I'm missing something terribly obvious or most the Whovians don't care about it.
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Jings.
The 50th anniversary is a one-off special that isn't part of some serial.
It has the same message as all the others, the going back in a time loop to redeem the future, but in such a way as to get the previous incarnarnations of the Doctor into the show.
You're in danger of joining the ranks who buy Klingon dictionaries. This isn't what it's ABOUT. The next episode will start off from where the last series ended.
Did anybody spot that the the Hindu 'Lotus Flower' of the 1,000 voices was the 'big red button'? Classic Arjuna. 'I am become the destroyer of worlds'. Fellas, try and get the REAL excitement of this thing, these writers are BRIGHT.
In the 1970s it was stale and not at all deep, and became so nerdy it disappeared. But when something lasts as long as Who has, it can only do so with real investment of good writing.
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There really isnt any discrepancy Thor.
The Doctor and Clara got out, they saw the John Hurt Doctor. The cliffhanger was there to set up the buzz for the Day Of The Doctor. They didn't pick up from there though because they knew it was gonna be watched by a lot of people who dont follow the show normally to, so it needed to be a bit more accessible.
But actually seeing the John Hurt Doctor in the Doctor's own time stream at the end of The Name Of The Doctor, and how and why he appears in Day Of The Doctor are completely unrelated. They only put him in Name Of The Doctor to set up the premise and to build anticipation.
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The BBC have released Peter Davison's comedy sketch 'The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot', which premiered last night on the BBC Red Button.
Synopsis:A star studded special written and directed by Peter Davison. With the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who about to film, the 'Classic' Doctors are keen to be involved. But do they manage it? Make sure you keep watching until the very end, as the implications will make The Day Of The Doctor seem even better  - See more at:
http://news.drwho-online.co.uk/The-Five(ish)-Doctors-Reboot-Red-Button-Episode.aspx
Just saw this, it's really fun and clever! Runs a bit out of steam near the end I guess, but very well done. Sylvester McCoy prattling on about being in The Hobbit is hilarious.
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Nov 25, 2013 - 2:38 PM
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In the 1970s it was stale and not at all deep, and became so nerdy it disappeared. But when something lasts as long as Who has, it can only do so with real investment of good writing.
The 8-10,000,000+ viewers the show regularly got in the 70's, bearing in mind that the only outlet for advertising was on-screen and the Radio Times, would tend to disagree with you about it disappearing! Stale and not deep? It was certainly the era of some of the worst stories, but also of the very, very best...watch for example the interrogation scene from Genesis of the Daleks and tell me that's not deep?
But yes - the writing is the key, and always has been.
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The Meta-crises Doctor and Peter Cushing are not counted, meaning Matt is the twelfth, although there's no way anyone is gonna stick to that numbering.
It's like the specials after The Next Doctor. They don't technically belong to series 4, but they weren't ever called series 5...
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Nov 26, 2013 - 6:06 AM
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Because there are still "just" thirteen Doctors present - the "extra" Tennant one from "Journey's End" isn't there.
First of all, I think it's weird that they are planning another Tennant regeneration. That means not only that they have to get Tennant back again, it must also be an insane challenge to get that into the existing timeline. I can't think of any moment in the Tennant run where an extra regeneration would fit in, including "Journey's End".
However, even if they manage to get it back in, why wouldn't the subsequent doctors -- including the newest one in Capaldi -- be aware of it? It's his history, after all.
No, this seems terribly confusing to me. Especially when they haven't even sorted out the confusion in the "Name" to 50th connection. Let's not get too complex before we have sorted previous dilemmas out -- otherwise, they'll end up in LOST territory, I think.
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