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 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I should add that I enjoyed it very much too. I didn't TOTALLY agree with my better half! I could just see what she meant. She was the same with Signs, the Mel Gibson flick. I agreed that the ending was poor, but for her it spoilt the whole movie. I'm not THAT plot-led. I can still enjoy other aspects if it's otherwise well made enough.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

There is a certain smugness about the two writers of sherlock.
Somewhere along the line it goes from perfectly decent to " Ooh look at me look how many plates i can spin"
All that flicking back and forth from victorian sherlock to modern sherlock - in the end i didnt see the point of making it so deliberately bewildering and pointless and by the end i didnt give a fuck. And this from a fan!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

There is a certain smugness about the two writers of sherlock.
Somewhere along the line it goes from perfectly decent to " Ooh look at me look how many plates i can spin"
All that flicking back and forth from victorian sherlock to modern sherlock - in the end i didnt see the point of making it so deliberately bewildering and pointless and by the end i didnt give a fuck. And this from a fan!


That's how I view the entire series, and why I'm not a fan of it.

Nevertheless, accepting all the excesses, I still thought the olde thyme mystery was entertaining. It was interesting that they flashed on the modern main characters' misogyny even if it's no longer legally embedded in western society. But perhaps that self-reflection seemed too pat, like "See, we can be sensitive males. Sexism: done."

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

I finally caught up with it today and I loved every minute of it. Phew!....what a trip! (Literally! smile)

I thought the script was extremely clever, full of wit and originality, with some amazing set pieces..... which I won’t spoil by giving any details here.

Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman were just superb and have really made the parts their own now.

I clapped and laughed throughout.

Thoroughly entertaining and a sheer delight.

More please! smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

CH-CD wins my "poster of the day" award for his upbeat, enthusiastic comments!

As one who hasn't seen the special as yet, I think what I know of it sounds quite compelling and not at all the confusing jumble many have claimed it to be. And, judging by the trailers, the special looks visually amazing.

http://youtu.be/2qNUKRGCvlI

I love Victorian-era Holmes. The only thing that could be amiss is that the narrative is "poorly executed" and some rot I've read about this episode being "overly feminist" but if the whole thing is a big mindf_ck without any linear narrative, I really don't care. Everything to me looks impressive on the screen, but I guess I'll find out soon enough.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Enjoy jim. Regardless of whether it is entertaining up to a point, it is still the weakest of the series so far, by far.

If you dont like it as much as the others, you can always come and have tea and cake with me n Huey.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Honestly, Jim, I do hope you like it better than Bill or I did. I was really excited to watch it and felt let down, but I'd rather people enjoy the show even if it means they don't get to have "tea and cakes" with Bill and me. Now there's a real tragedy because Bill and I are very entertaining.

Yep, you'll have to suffer some misogyny and feminism as in the Victorian Era women were not allowed to vote yet. Interesting comments from Last Child about Victorian and modern attitudes towards women.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

All that effort to appear hip and more clever than your audience... It's almost painful.

Why is it so difficult to write a simple, not overblown story - the Victorian era case (minus the rather far-fetched and oh-so-PC feminist ending) was a good one - with a couple of good twists without over-modernizing and hipsterizing it?

(BTW, I very much liked the reference to Patrick Gowers's classic theme from the beloved Granada series when we first see Baker St. in the 1890s. Nice touch.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2016 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yep, you'll have to suffer some misogyny and feminism as in the Victorian Era women were not allowed to vote yet. Interesting comments from Last Child about Victorian and modern attitudes towards women.

Joan, what was your reaction, being a woman?
As it's male POV series, the brief misogynist flashes of how the two leads behave in the Present is instructive to the male viewer (although everyone here - the males, probably - are just dismissing it as a "politically correct" message, which is unfortunate). But female viewers dont need a wake-up call since they're on the receiving end, and might react to the message with, to borrow an apt phrase, "no shit Sherlock."

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2016 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Sherlock: Chronicles
By Steve Tribe

"A visually stunning and comprehensive guide to the hit BBC series, Sherlock: Chronicles tells the full story of the show as you've never seen it before.

Packed with exclusive unseen material, including all-new interviews with the cast and crew, this is Sherlock from the ground up: from story and script development to casting, sets, costumes, props, music and more. Each episode of the spectacular three series is remembered by those who made it, from the show's dazzling debut in A Study in Pink to this year's breathtaking finale, His Last Vow.

Featuring over 500 images of concept artwork, photographs, costume and set designs, and more, Chronicles is the ultimate celebration for Sherlock fans everywhere."



Until Joan returns I thought I'd follow up on my above post and declare my delight for the SHERLOCK: CHRONICLES book, which I received as a Christmas gift. It enthusiastically and comprehensively, uh, chronicles the behind the scenes stuff that went into the creation of the "programme." wink It covers the first three series (but not the just-broadcast Christmas special, obviously). I highly recommend the book to the few Sherlock fans on this board.

I was going to submit it to the "Making of...Books" thread but that emphasizes older movies and probably Lucas/Spielberg bilge and I really don't feel like dealing with more sci-fi nerd pedantry at the moment. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2016 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Last Child, your comments pretty well summed up my feelings. Didn't like the episode that much, but I did find the correlation between Victorian misogyny and present day misogyny rather interesting. We "supposedly" have "legally embedded" anti racist behaviors, but we know racism is still around. I certainly wasn't trying to be PC. I also noted you mentioned legalities in regards to "western society." That's some progress, but we know there are certainly other societies in our world where schools are blown up because they are trying to educate girls and where women are stoned to death if suspected of adultery. Now that's not very PC.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2016 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

That's some progress, but we know there are certainly other societies in our world where schools are blown up because they are trying to educate girls and where women are stoned to death if suspected of adultery. Now that's not very PC.

Which is why it's unfortunate any progressive message is now dismissed as "PC," usually by the people in denial that their privileged position is causing someone else pain. And people are the same all over; we're just a law or two above public stoning.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2016 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Shifting gears to less controversial aspects of Sherlock.... smile


It seems to me that in interviews I've seen and read with Cumberbatch and Freeman that the actors themselves are the opposite of their characters. Cumberbatch comes off as more a regular Joe whereas Freeman has a madcap eccentricity about him. I'm more a Freeman fan and part of that comes from his very grouchy-or-is-he-putting-us-all-on vibe. The bit where he just flatout walks out on the Sherlock commentary track partway through is a nutty slice of British genius--or poor scheduling. wink

Oh, and have I said how much I'm enjoying that Sherlock: Chronicles book? I hope so! wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2016 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yeah but you still havent told us what you thought of the latest show?!
Its about time you sat down and watched it, isnt it!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2016 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


“I Liked It !” big grin





 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2016 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yeah but you still havent told us what you thought of the latest show?!
Its about time you sat down and watched it, isnt it!!


“I Liked It !” big grin

I dunno, I cant quite visualize it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2016 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Yeah but you still havent told us what you thought of the latest show?!
Its about time you sat down and watched it, isnt it!!


It'll have to wait, Old Sport, as PBS aren't making it available on their website until 11 January (edit: I "have too much fear" to buy it on dvd in case it does blow the chunks so many claim it does).

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2016 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I finally watched The Abominable Bride and I enjoyed it a LOT. Tremendous fun and a step in the right direction after the "troubled" series three which I will nevertheless give another try now that the hype of that particular epoch in BBC Sherlock history has died down.

Remind me never to read anything from media outlets or internet messageboards about stuff I enjoy. wink

How anyone could even be remotely outraged or offended by anything in TAB must be either an oversensitive, built-to-be-offended Millennial or a reactionary lout. The notion that there was "mansplaining" or rampant political correctness is absurd.

One of the many things I've learned on the olde internet is that movies or tv shows that receive the most backlash are ones which use narration, black and white photography, flashbacks and/or non-linear timelines, have downbeat endings, or movies and shows made by people that the mass media "tells" us to hate, and of course movies and shows where they "talk a lot." All of these tend to receive the most negative and irrational criticism from the general and dopey general public.

It really makes me despise the "social aspects" of the internet all the more (except for the FSM Board). smile

A more specific review of TAB to follow...

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2016 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

FINALLY!

One, perhaps the only gripe I had about BBC's Sherlock was that they, in my view, wimped out by not addressing Holmes' drug use other than an occasional cigarette reference and the ridiculous "three patch problem" nonsense. Now, with the series an established success and one that imo does not insult its audience--including a significant youthful female fanbase --has at last acknowledged, taken on and have brought in the drug usage aspect of Sherlock Holmes' character.

I used to think that the Beeb refused such a portayal for fear of negatively influencing that aforementioned segment of the Sherlock fanbase, as if these people were all going straight to their local opium den "because Sherlock uses drugs."

Bravo to Moffat and Gatiss--and even the BBC.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2016 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I still think it was a no, shit sherlock.

 
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