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LeHah, I have no idea what you're going on about with the whole "universally irrelevant" stuff.
Either you take a fragment of someone's point, or you half-acknowledge it and relapse into a gross exaggeration of the actual dialogue in the film to prove that really all it does is hold people's hand about the presence of the Joker in the film. Does anyone have the actual dialogue? Neither the intention or the execution do the things you say they do.
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Dude, why are you making this out to be a case of getting feathers ruffled? How does engaging in a discussion of differing viewpoints equal that? I'm just discussing the points you rose up, and there's no reason to stretch it beyond that.
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That's fine. I'm not asking you to reiterate--we know what your original point is. The points that have been raised in response to yours don't require any reiteration. If you don't have any argument for people's responses beside your original post, then just pull an Adam West and stand on your answer.
I for one think that there's room in peoples' answers for you to move beyond your original points, but if you don't want to or you don't see it, that's your business. But please, the confrontational stuff is really unnecessary. I just want to have a reasonable discussion on the film.
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That's fine. I'm not asking you to reiterate--we know what your original point is. The points that have been raised in response to yours don't require any reiteration. If you don't have any argument for people's responses beside your original post, then just pull an Adam West and stand on your answer.
I for one think that there's room in peoples' answers for you to move beyond your original points, but if you don't want to or you don't see it, that's your business. But please, the confrontational stuff is really unnecessary. I just want to have a reasonable discussion on the film.
Confrontation is the only way Lehah feels relevant; he knows his views are unremarkable, so he must deliver them pointedly, confrontationally...in order to drum up some business, generate feedback. If he meets more than his match, he turns tail and prissily places you on his "ignore" list, thereby--so he thinks--stemming future public humiliation before an assembled throng of posters. Posters gathered to gawk. ...To gawk and laugh at how the Self Anointed Mighty Do Fall So Very Far...
Witness one such spectacular flame-out here; Lehah Brings It, but has Taken It Back Home To Sulk And Weep In The Dark by the mid-point of the next page:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=7&pageID=2&threadID=49409&archive=0
And slave to his Ego that he is, Lehah has a history of reading posts of--and posting replies to--persons branded with his Scarlet "I"...even after he claims to banish them to The Wilderness of His Ignorance... Oh, we are such a damnable, accursed lot, We Ignored By Lehah. The Forsaken! The Proud...
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I liked the film a lot and thought the score, worked great in the film. First and foremost it's supposed to compliment the film and it did, just fine. Now, listening to it outside the film, a tad hard to listen to at times.
Heath hopefully will at least get an oscar nomination, I hope or more.
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I found the Dark Knight somewhat rushed in its pacing. It had a lot of ground to cover with all of its characters but it still felt wanting- especially in Bruce Wayne's story. Bale seemed to react more than participate in the events. But then again, I think this was a deliberate element in the story line.
Ledger's Joker started out slowly for me. Honestly, for the first 3rd of the film, I thought his performance was overrated. Until his character became the centerpiece to all that follows in the second and final acts. I thought his performance was riveting. Whenever he was onscreen, he made the most of it.
Aaron Eckhart/Harvey Dent was a tragic and flawed character. I'm not sure Ekhart's acting chops were up to the task of conveying the duality of his onscreen persona. Both he and Maggie Gylannhall were the weakest links insofar as acting was concerned. Given the turn of events, [no spoilers], their flat acting did not make the impression needed when things get more involved.
Caine and Freeman both used their moments well although I found Freeman was very much on the periphery, moreso than Batman Begins.
Now the music. Hmmm. Okay, I liked JN Howard's Harvey Dent theme. Especially when he treats it like a Gorecki Cantus Firmus in the penultimate scene between Dent and Gordon. It really worked well with the onscreen events. The string dissonances were a nice touch. Generally though, I found Zimmer's contributions noisy and over-the-top. I did like his Joker music although I would not call it a theme per se since it's more sound design. But it works in the film. Like the bees in the jar "music" in the Exorcist whenever the demon was present. It grates on the viewer's nerves and makes Ledger's Joker all-the-more unsettling.
There is a lot of depth to this film but it's hard to peel away from all of the hype, action, and noise. What it's trying to say has got merit. In fact, it's pretty deep. But some of the contrivances muddle and mar its message. I will have to see it again since there was a lot to absorb but at this point I cannot call it s flawed masterpiece- but I will say it has a lot going for it. Nolan should get a warm round of applaus for FINALLY giving the world the true incarnation of what Batman was always about and what most Hollywood chicken-s*** filmmakers just could not see themselves descending into these waters to realize cinematically.
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I found the Dark Knight somewhat rushed in its pacing. It had a lot of ground to cover with all of its characters but it still felt wanting- especially in Bruce Wayne's story. Bale seemed to react more than participate in the events. But then again, I think this was a deliberate element in the story line.
Ledger's Joker started out slowly for me. Honestly, for the first 3rd of the film, I thought his performance was overrated. Until his character became the centerpiece to all that follows in the second and final acts. I thought his performance was riveting. Whenever he was onscreen, he made the most of it.
Aaron Eckhart/Harvey Dent was a tragic and flawed character. I'm not sure Ekhart's acting chops were up to the task of conveying the duality of his onscreen persona. Both he and Maggie Gylannhall were the weakest links insofar as acting was concerned. Given the turn of events, [no spoilers], their flat acting did not make the impression needed when things get more involved.
Caine and Freeman both used their moments well although I found Freeman was very much on the periphery, moreso than Batman Begins.
Now the music. Hmmm. Okay, I liked JN Howard's Harvey Dent theme. Especially when he treats it like a Gorecki Cantus Firmus in the penultimate scene between Dent and Gordon. It really worked well with the onscreen events. The string dissonances were a nice touch. Generally though, I found Zimmer's contributions noisy and over-the-top. I did like his Joker music although I would not call it a theme per se since it's more sound design. But it works in the film. Like the bees in the jar "music" in the Exorcist whenever the demon was present. It grates on the viewer's nerves and makes Ledger's Joker all-the-more unsettling.
There is a lot of depth to this film but it's hard to peel away from all of the hype, action, and noise. What it's trying to say has got merit. In fact, it's pretty deep. But some of the contrivances muddle and mar its message. I will have to see it again since there was a lot to absorb but at this point I cannot call it s flawed masterpiece- but I will say it has a lot going for it. Nolan should get a warm round of applaus for FINALLY giving the world the true incarnation of what Batman was always about and what most Hollywood chicken-s*** filmmakers just could not see themselves descending into these waters to realize cinematically.
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double post
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triple post...oops
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ever the contrarian aren't we LeHah? I meant live-action films of course. I have not seen Mask of the Phantasm though I might give it a whirl.
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