Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



Sorry I don't know you but it seems like you are the greatest film music authority in the world to give Mr. Williams advise to go into retirement.


One doesn't have to be a f'cking genius to know that an 81-year-old should enjoy some retirement. If you don't agree with that, you really should send your resume to some Chinese sweat factory.


I'm already collecting Williams's scores for 20 years and I can't do this.

Well maybe you need to find another hobby, Mr. Not-a-genius.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I second that, well said. These two have been feeding off negativity since they joined the board. I can't remember any positive contribution.

I've posted plenty of positive stuff. Unfortunately your eyes are affixed on negativity.

Sad, for you.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Well maybe you need to find another hobby, Mr. Not-a-genius.

I've posted plenty of positive stuff. Unfortunately your eyes are affixed on negativity.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Well maybe you need to find another hobby, Mr. Not-a-genius.

I've posted plenty of positive stuff. Unfortunately your eyes are affixed on negativity.



As usual, quid pro quo, my friendsmile

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

One doesn't have to be a f'cking genius to know that an 81-year-old should enjoy some retirement. If you don't agree with that, you really should send your resume to some Chinese sweat factory.

Some people love their work. Some people wouldn't know what to do with themselves in retirement. If he's enjoying his life, then why should he fix what ain't broke and go "enjoy some retirement" instead?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

One doesn't have to be a f'cking genius to know that an 81-year-old should enjoy some retirement. If you don't agree with that, you really should send your resume to some Chinese sweat factory.

Some people love their work. Some people wouldn't know what to do with themselves in retirement. If he's enjoying his life, then why should he fix what ain't broke and go "enjoy some retirement" instead?


So? As I already said, he must be treating this as a hobby seeing that all he does is going the easy (for him, anyway) route with rehashed stuff.

He can do whatever he damn pleases. If he decides to ride a flying unicorn tomorrow, it's his business.

But as an iconic figure, a composer should end on a high note rather than a low, if he cares what history writes about him.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I guess I wonder why he should care what history writes about him.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

One doesn't have to be a f'cking genius to know that an 81-year-old should enjoy some retirement. If you don't agree with that, you really should send your resume to some Chinese sweat factory.

Some people love their work. Some people wouldn't know what to do with themselves in retirement. If he's enjoying his life, then why should he fix what ain't broke and go "enjoy some retirement" instead?


So? As I already said, he must be treating this as a hobby seeing that all he does is going the easy (for him, anyway) route with rehashed stuff.

He can do whatever he damn pleases. If he decides to ride a flying unicorn tomorrow, it's his business.

But as an iconic figure, a composer should end on a high note rather than a low, if he cares what history writes about him.


Since when is he ending with The Book Thief? You do know he has committed to THREE more Star Wars films, right?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

“Write a real Magnum Opus before he joins Goldsmith.” Hasn’t he already? If I had to pick a Williams’ Magnum Opus today, there would be a list. Would it be Jaws? Indiana Jones iconic themes? The stunning Superman? The heart-breaking Schindler’s List? Would it be the score that attracted Lukas and so many other people here when FSM started which would be Star Wars? I don’t know; he has composed so many scores that are memorable and iconic. I also love his less is more approach in Lincoln and Saving Private Ryan and such minimalist approaches perfectly served those movies. I don’t own all of his scores. His dissonant scores for Minority Report and War Of The Worlds didn’t appeal to me for stand-alone listening, but they perfectly served their movies. And isn’t that the function of a film score?

We may not get a grand, heroic, iconic theme for The Book Thief (which wouldn’t fit), but his music will serve the movie, and, “if he cares what history writes about him,” he’ll compose what is best for this movie. He has already made his mark in history; in fact, many marks! He has nothing left to prove because he has over 40 years of composing Magnum Opuses.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

We may not get a grand, heroic, iconic theme for The Book Thief (which wouldn’t fit), but his music will serve the movie, and, “if he cares what history writes about him,” he’ll compose what is best for this movie. He has already made his mark in history; in fact, many marks! He has nothing left to prove because he has over 40 years of composing Magnum Opuses.

This is a great statement Joan! He does have nothing more to prove and it will be great!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   E-Wan   (Member)



Sorry I don't know you but it seems like you are the greatest film music authority in the world to give Mr. Williams advise to go into retirement.


One doesn't have to be a f'cking genius to know that an 81-year-old should enjoy some retirement. If you don't agree with that, you really should send your resume to some Chinese sweat factory.


I'm already collecting Williams's scores for 20 years and I can't do this.

Well maybe you need to find another hobby, Mr. Not-a-genius.


Why such strong words? I don't know how powerful adviser you are and how much film composers are listening to your advises but I think it is up to Mr. Williams how long he wants to compose music for films and since he loves composing music and his health does not prevent him to continue doing what he loves there is no reason for him to go into retirement. Composing music is not brain surgery.

Sorry, maybe somebody is listening to your advises but I don't remember I have ever met you and given you any permission to give me advices what to do in my life.

I love collecting John Williams's CDs and love his scores from the last decade so I see no logical reason why to abandon this hobby. It doesn't make sense!

And it seems there are hundreds and maybe thousands of fans who are eager to listen to any new score by John Williams. So why to take them their enjoyment?

If you don't it is your personal problem not their.


So? As I already said, he must be treating this as a hobby seeing that all he does is going the easy (for him, anyway) route with rehashed stuff.

He can do whatever he damn pleases. If he decides to ride a flying unicorn tomorrow, it's his business.

But as an iconic figure, a composer should end on a high note rather than a low, if he cares what history writes about him.


Yes, he can do whatever he pleases. This is the only one thought I agree with you. And fortunately he is doing things which pleases his fans. He is composing excellent music.

I think as humble and modest John Williams is he really doesn't care what history writes about him. He is just doing the job he loves, nothing more, nothing less.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

As usual, quid pro quo, my friend

I don't follow the logic behind this. Are you suggesting our opinions are somehow on an even exchange rate? I'm pretty sure mine would be an American dollar versus your South African Rand at this point. Heck, that joke alone should be proof enough.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   E-Wan   (Member)

“Write a real Magnum Opus before he joins Goldsmith.” Hasn’t he already? If I had to pick a Williams’ Magnum Opus today, there would be a list. Would it be Jaws? Indiana Jones iconic themes? The stunning Superman? The heart-breaking Schindler’s List? Would it be the score that attracted Lukas and so many other people here when FSM started which would be Star Wars? I don’t know; he has composed so many scores that are memorable and iconic. I also love his less is more approach in Lincoln and Saving Private Ryan and such minimalist approaches perfectly served those movies. I don’t own all of his scores. His dissonant scores for Minority Report and War Of The Worlds didn’t appeal to me for stand-alone listening, but they perfectly served their movies. And isn’t that the function of a film score?

We may not get a grand, heroic, iconic theme for The Book Thief (which wouldn’t fit), but his music will serve the movie, and, “if he cares what history writes about him,” he’ll compose what is best for this movie. He has already made his mark in history; in fact, many marks! He has nothing left to prove because he has over 40 years of composing Magnum Opuses.



Very wise words! Thank you very much for them.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)



I'm pretty sure mine would be an American dollar versus your South African Rand at this point. Heck, that joke alone should be proof enough.


This thread's argument is so stupid (go listen to some 30-second clips of some scores you DO like once), but that was pretty good.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

As usual, quid pro quo, my friend

I don't follow the logic behind this. Are you suggesting our opinions are somehow on an even exchange rate?


Oh you're giving "opinions" now? roll eyes

Well at least you tried. Here, have a cookie.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



Since when is he ending with The Book Thief? You do know he has committed to THREE more Star Wars films, right?


At age 81, you don't "COMMIT" to do anything. You WISH god doesn't summon you the next minute.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

“Write a real Magnum Opus before he joins Goldsmith.” Hasn’t he already? If I had to pick a Williams’ Magnum Opus today, there would be a list. Would it be Jaws? Indiana Jones iconic themes? The stunning Superman? The heart-breaking Schindler’s List? Would it be the score that attracted Lukas and so many other people here when FSM started which would be Star Wars? I don’t know; he has composed so many scores that are memorable and iconic. I also love his less is more approach in Lincoln and Saving Private Ryan and such minimalist approaches perfectly served those movies. I don’t own all of his scores. His dissonant scores for Minority Report and War Of The Worlds didn’t appeal to me for stand-alone listening, but they perfectly served their movies. And isn’t that the function of a film score?

We may not get a grand, heroic, iconic theme for The Book Thief (which wouldn’t fit), but his music will serve the movie, and, “if he cares what history writes about him,” he’ll compose what is best for this movie. He has already made his mark in history; in fact, many marks! He has nothing left to prove because he has over 40 years of composing Magnum Opuses.


I wish there was a Thumbs up button or Like button. Well said Joan.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

“Write a real Magnum Opus before he joins Goldsmith.” Hasn’t he already? If I had to pick a Williams’ Magnum Opus today, there would be a list. Would it be Jaws? Indiana Jones iconic themes? The stunning Superman? The heart-breaking Schindler’s List? Would it be the score that attracted Lukas and so many other people here when FSM started which would be Star Wars? I don’t know; he has composed so many scores that are memorable and iconic. I also love his less is more approach in Lincoln and Saving Private Ryan and such minimalist approaches perfectly served those movies. I don’t own all of his scores. His dissonant scores for Minority Report and War Of The Worlds didn’t appeal to me for stand-alone listening, but they perfectly served their movies. And isn’t that the function of a film score?

We may not get a grand, heroic, iconic theme for The Book Thief (which wouldn’t fit), but his music will serve the movie, and, “if he cares what history writes about him,” he’ll compose what is best for this movie. He has already made his mark in history; in fact, many marks! He has nothing left to prove because he has over 40 years of composing Magnum Opuses.


Yes yes he's done great music in his EARLY years.

So how does that relate to "ENDING on a strong note"?

But whatever. I mean, Jerry Goldsmith is forever remembered to have devoted his last days writing for Looney Tunes. --This is an utterly important piece of work right? Truly a hero's end right?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

Faulty assumptions at work (partial list)

1. Book Thief is the equivalent of Looney Tunes
2. Even if it was, this should lessen John Williams' ridiculously successful legacy
3. Facehugger is ready to come to these sweeping conclusions based on 30 second samples of a movie he hasn't seen
4. Film music is written for facehugger, not for the film (thanks to Joan for emphasizing that point)
5. His supposed legacy of official history is more important than the contributions he continues to make that are appreciated by thousands, including his close collaborators - not to mention the satisfaction he presumably gets from a "working life" of constantly writing music

and on and on....

- Adam

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2013 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



1. Book Thief is the equivalent of Looney Tunes


No. In terms of the films themselves, Book Thief is worse, at least Looney Tunes is not a fucking commercial exploitation of the Holocaust.

But that is not the point. And seeing that you fail to grasp the issue, I'll leave you be.

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2014 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.