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 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   samlowry   (Member)

If there was going to be only ONE more VS Club title, my wish would be for a badass Deluxe Edition of "Starship Troopers"!! The commercial release we got doesn't do justice to this great score.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

If there was going to be only ONE more VS Club title, my wish would be for a badass Deluxe Edition of "Starship Troopers"!! The commercial release we got doesn't do justice to this great score.

Well we're lucky it got a release to begin with because it cause a ton of money to put out to begin with.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

What annoys me most is that Varese has control of titles that other specialty labels could be releasing.

This. I do hope they got the hint with Die Hard 2 selling out.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

You are absolutely right. The club isn't necessary anymore. What annoys me most is that Varese has control of titles that other specialty labels could be releasing.

+1

I'm not going to suggest that the other labels have the time/resources to immediately jump on all of Varese's 30-minuters - that's going a bit far.

However, when it's their main business to expand older stuff (Varese primarily does current releases) and we hear that some of the titles that are right up their alley are with Varese forever, it's a lose-lose situation.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

If Varese has a title in perpetuity, then they are likely to expand it themselves if and when they can (see TOTAL RECALL).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

At my last birthday party I was honored to have representation from many of the people who have put together many of the CDs that have come out on all labels over the years. One key member whose name is on many of the CDs out there volunteered that he stopped going on the FSM board for quite a few weeks and was a much happier person for it. The others congratulated him and explained why it was one of the smartest things he ever did. While a key member did point out there have been interesting points brought up here from time to time they for the most part agreed much of it has become a kind of corroding influence. I have to agree. I first saw composers I knew walk away in disgust and now the labels themselves keep their 10 foot poles at hand whenever visiting.

It makes sense. This Varese thread is only one example that even LaLaLand records (their competitor!) couldn't even change the tone of. The majority of the buyers are not represented here. And since the bullies took over the board even the majority of the FSM board members are no longer represented here. The decent members who visit infrequently now (with their 10 foot poles) show up less and less. I have mainly come for the news and announcements. One of the few exceptions is our esteemed Haineshisway who likes to say he sometimes practices sharpening his claws and fangs on here. But you have to understand, he has been in show business all his life. big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Nice to know what some of the label guys think about us ! Maybe I should stop buying their products ...

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I'm always surprised how sensitive these labels folks get over a simple message board.

"Disgust," "Corroding Influence" - Where the heck am I?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I'm always surprised how sensitive these labels folks get over a simple message board.

"Disgust," "Corroding Influence" - Where the heck am I?


Actually those are my descriptive words reflecting my own response, the specific wording I have forgotten. And the crowd that agreed were not all from the labels. But if you consider yourself part of the bullying bunch I am surprised. You and Henry always seemed to be a few of the exceptions.

Luckily I mentioned no specific label.

And if you are part of what I call the corrosive influence here feel free to not buy soundtracks from any labels or any composers who offends you.
I'd start with Bernard Herrmann who practically spat on any "fan" who approached him.

As for me I have found it is time to join the crowd who does minimal conversation here. It will be healthier for all concerned. My apologies to all. I will continue to post announcements. Bye-bye.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

We've been told by LaLaLand and by SamLowrey that the Varese Club isn't finished and yet the moaning goes on. There will be more Varese Club Cds. Just be patient. In the meantime there is a steady stream of releases from the other labels.

What is the problem?

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Film music fans are the most hard to please fans so that sets the bar high for people in the industry as well as composers; this is the case for any internet discussion forum. If you can't deal with criticism, simple, don't participate! The label representatives who are on this forum seem to deal well with criticism AND praise might I add, not to mention they don't hold back on doing their fair share as well.

Is the customer always right? No, but most of the time both sides of the argument get their say around here. Regarding this thread and the reason for it existing: Varese hasn't released a Club title for a while and even with MV's words (who I respect but he doesn't work for Varese plus he spoke of rumours), I'm still not expecting much for this year (especially with the takeover and the concerts). To me this thread is hardly disgusting nor offensive, customers who have been used to multiple batches of club releases per year are somehow now the bad guy because they wonder what happened to the output? If Varese didn't own a lot of titles in perpetuity, the discussion would be moot and we'd look at the other labels to compensate for the slack. That's the way it goes, there is demand, but if you're not meeting it, there is outcry. It is the internet.

I will say that I was disappointed with the latest Poltergeist II release on this board in that you had one big thread which was basically a battlefield between various people -in the industry and outside of it- going well over a 100 posts (and sending many men crying to their mothers I'm sure), and the thread created by Zooba to discuss the music hardly reaching 10 posts.

That said, I don't see it as bleak as you do Morricone, sorry to say. I hope you do still contribute as I've enjoyed reading your posts. Also, where can I get one of those 10 foot poles? wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

What I think Varese could have done is issue a short statement stating what their priorities were for this year but confirming their intention to continue with the Varese Club releases at some point in the not too distant future.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

As to corroding influences, it basically comes down to the time, passion, commitment, and effort that goes into every release - it's a major investment of time and self for those who have done the work. So of course they can be a bit raw, when after all that work, all they read on the board are nit-picks and complaints, "Why didn't you do this?!?" "Why is it this way and not that?!?"

Considering all those here, who post about sensitive labels, have you noted how defensive and thin skinned you are when after a post that took you no time or effort is dismissed, or countered by another member, how quick and passionate is your response and defense - and that's your reaction for a few words that took no time or effort to type and hit send; how the heck would you react if something you had invested soooo much of your self, your time, your life into came under similar criticism!

The "thin skins" are totally understandable, human behaviour - to quote an oft quoted book, "look to the beam in your own eye before the mote in your brother's eye." Not something many here do. But, to be honest, they never really did, so don't feel guilty, but don't be surprised that more and more of those who used to visit here no longer do, and why Facebook has become the realm of more first announcements than here.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

What I think Varese could have done is issue a short statement stating what their priorities were for this year but confirming their intention to continue with the Varese Club releases at some point in the not too distant future.

or they can announce that's not going to be their deal anymore. it's always been the lack of communication that's been the issue for me. though admittedly i don't think i'd like such an announcement as that. i am hopeful mv's rumor pans out.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Regarding Morricone's post, I admit that sometimes one needs a thick skin here but for every bully and nutter, we have many passionate, intelligent, informed and decent members who still, for me, make this a great board to hang out at.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I can understand both sides of the argument. But it isn't worth getting upset over, in the big scheme of things.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2013 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   catboy19   (Member)

All I know is LLL said it is the calm before the storm and considering how top notch they are I find them trust-worthy in what they say...

I sure hope Varese release Dante's Peak deluxe edition!

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2013 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

If Varese didn't own a lot of titles in perpetuity, the discussion would be moot and we'd look at the other labels to compensate for the slack. That's the way it goes, there is demand, but if you're not meeting it, there is outcry. It is the internet.

I think you're right here! Varese simply owns to much rights to ignore them all the time. There is demand and there is discussion about it in a message board. No surprise for me.

And a number of labels use the FSM message board often to create a hype for their releases. Must be good for their sales!? smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2013 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

DP.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2013 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

[And a number of labels use the FSM message board often to create a hype for their releases. Must be good for their sales!? smile

Absolutely! Some labels moan about the treatment they receive here but are so very happy to use this board to promote their new releases.

 
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