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 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I'm kind of surprised at the lack of love for EL CID on this thread. I love Rozsa and will purchase any new release, especially the Tadlow scores. BEN-HUR was, I think, my second original LP purchase back in the day and I still love it. But EL CID came soon after and has remained my personal favorite. Definitely in my top 5 all-time favorite scores by any composer.
The 3 disc Nic Raine recording with all the unused music was a revelation and made me love the score even more. Not a wasted note and every bit of it gorgeous. I was even more impressed on digging a little deeper into how Rozsa's impeccable scholarship and research went into the creation of this score. Hearing some recordings of the original medieval music, especially the various cantigas, that he wove into the score is a treat.
I suppose like any preference, there is a lot of bias from one's background. Coming from a Spanish background on one side of my family rather than the Jewish/Christian/Middle East roots of the sound of BEN-HUR probably influences my taste.

But I will say this, whenever I finish a difficult task or have a small triumph over life's adversities, the thing that pops into my head at the moment is always the Victory Parade from BEN-HUR. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

There's a lack of love for EL Cid in this thread? What! Never heard the like! EL CID is of course one of Rozsa's very greatest achievements, a huge piece in the astonishing musical mosaic he created that began with Quo Vadis and ended with Sodom & Gomorrah. I would rank it up there with Ben-Hur, perhaps lacking a little of the spiritual and emotional depth of that masterpiece but making it up in sheer burnished brass exuberance. Lack of love indeed!

 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

There's a lack of love for EL Cid in this thread? What! Never heard the like! EL CID is of course one of Rozsa's very greatest achievements, a huge piece in the astonishing musical mosaic he created that began with Quo Vadis and ended with Sodom & Gomorrah. I would rank it up there with Ben-Hur, perhaps lacking a little of the spiritual and emotional depth of that masterpiece but making it up in sheer burnished brass exuberance. Lack of love indeed!

I say that because other than a couple of mentions of it in lists of Rozsa scores, there has been hardly any mention of EL CID in this thread among all the praise for BEN-HUR and KING OF KINGS. And since I consider it his greatest creation (among so many others), I felt it must be praised!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   Justsumcrustydude   (Member)

There's a lack of love for EL Cid in this thread? What! Never heard the like! EL CID is of course one of Rozsa's very greatest achievements, a huge piece in the astonishing musical mosaic he created that began with Quo Vadis and ended with Sodom & Gomorrah. I would rank it up there with Ben-Hur, perhaps lacking a little of the spiritual and emotional depth of that masterpiece but making it up in sheer burnished brass exuberance. Lack of love indeed!

El Cid is fantastic. Just because it's not showing up on the thread that often doesn't mean it doesn't kick ass.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

There's a lack of love for EL Cid in this thread? What! Never heard the like! EL CID is of course one of Rozsa's very greatest achievements, a huge piece in the astonishing musical mosaic he created that began with Quo Vadis and ended with Sodom & Gomorrah. I would rank it up there with Ben-Hur, perhaps lacking a little of the spiritual and emotional depth of that masterpiece but making it up in sheer burnished brass exuberance. Lack of love indeed!

You're preaching to the choir! I love that score so much I'm looking to add the original recording to my Tadlow.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

There's a lack of love for EL Cid in this thread? What! Never heard the like! EL CID is of course one of Rozsa's very greatest achievements, a huge piece in the astonishing musical mosaic he created that began with Quo Vadis and ended with Sodom & Gomorrah. I would rank it up there with Ben-Hur, perhaps lacking a little of the spiritual and emotional depth of that masterpiece but making it up in sheer burnished brass exuberance. Lack of love indeed!

You're preaching to the choir! I love that score so much I'm looking to add the original recording to my Tadlow.


As I mentioned earlier in this thread, El Cid is tied with Ben Hur for my favorite score from Rozsa's vast repertoire.


As far as the original recording, Wagner, the actual recording heard in the film is sadly MIA, while the album recording Rozsa made in Germany can be found in the Treasury set.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

There's a lack of love for EL Cid in this thread? What! Never heard the like! EL CID is of course one of Rozsa's very greatest achievements, a huge piece in the astonishing musical mosaic he created that began with Quo Vadis and ended with Sodom & Gomorrah. I would rank it up there with Ben-Hur, perhaps lacking a little of the spiritual and emotional depth of that masterpiece but making it up in sheer burnished brass exuberance. Lack of love indeed!

You're preaching to the choir! I love that score so much I'm looking to add the original recording to my Tadlow.


As I mentioned earlier in this thread, El Cid is tied with Ben Hur for my favorite score from Rozsa's vast repertoire.


As far as the original recording, Wagner, the actual recording heard in the film is sadly MIA, while the album recording Rozsa made in Germany can be found in the Treasury set.


Argh! I keep spending so much cash on individual soundtracks there's none left for that Treasury. Well, income tax refund where are you? smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

El Cid was recorded in Italy, but the azimuth alignment was cocked-up and it had to be redone in London, probably the Sinfonia. Then it disappeared. Dave Wishart of CNR released a CD with four OST bits from the non-SFX blackscreen bits.


You can pick up four legit albums, the Prague Tadlow, the Koch from Sedares in NZ, the Munich LP recording with Rozsa (most recently in the FSM box) and Philip Pelster's organ transcription for the Leon Cathedral organ.

Hunting out the Cantigas is fun.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

El Cid was recorded in Italy, but the azimuth alignment was cocked-up and it had to be redone in London, probably the Sinfonia. Then it disappeared. Dave Wishart of CNR released a CD with four OST bits from the non-SFX blackscreen bits.



David Wishart was the one who discovered at Shepperton that the original music tapes had accidently been thrown away, having been wrongly labelled as the music and effects tracks. The music and effects tapes survived, having been wrongly labelled as the music tracks.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

El Cid was recorded in Italy, but the azimuth alignment was cocked-up and it had to be redone in London, probably the Sinfonia. Then it disappeared. Dave Wishart of CNR released a CD with four OST bits from the non-SFX blackscreen bits.


You can pick up four legit albums, the Prague Tadlow, the Koch from Sedares in NZ, the Munich LP recording with Rozsa (most recently in the FSM box) and Philip Pelster's organ transcription for the Leon Cathedral organ.

Hunting out the Cantigas is fun.


This is a big help, many thanks! But I probably need to just take my income tax refund and get that darn treasury.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


This is a big help, many thanks! But I probably need to just take my income tax refund and get that darn treasury.


Yes. Yes you do. Even if it means you have to stop buying Goldsmith scores for a while! smile

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)


This is a big help, many thanks! But I probably need to just take my income tax refund and get that darn treasury.


Yes. Yes you do. Even if it means you have to stop buying Goldsmith scores for a while! smile

Yavar


ARRRGH, a pain worse than death!

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2018 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The pain worse than death would be finally putting together enough money to purchase the Rozsa Treasury and then finding out all copies of it are $600 and up. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2018 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

Went off Rozsa about 10-12 years ago, but got back into him a year or so ago after watching The Red House. Am wondering if anyone out there has heard the Lost Weekend/Blood on the sun CD release by Tsunami, and can tell me what the sound quality is please ? I notice that the Blood on the sun score on that CD is shy a couple of tracks on the Membran release - is that a big loss ? In short, should I buy the Tsunami release or go for the Membran CD and another version of Lost Weekend ?

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2018 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Went off Rozsa about 10-12 years ago, but got back into him a year or so ago after watching The Red House. Am wondering if anyone out there has heard the Lost Weekend/Blood on the sun CD release by Tsunami, and can tell me what the sound quality is please ? I notice that the Blood on the sun score on that CD is shy a couple of tracks on the Membran release - is that a big loss ? In short, should I buy the Tsunami release or go for the Membran CD and another version of Lost Weekend ?

Please don't make the same mistake I did and buy anything Tsunami.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2018 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Went off Rozsa about 10-12 years ago, but got back into him a year or so ago after watching The Red House. Am wondering if anyone out there has heard the Lost Weekend/Blood on the sun CD release by Tsunami, and can tell me what the sound quality is please ? I notice that the Blood on the sun score on that CD is shy a couple of tracks on the Membran release - is that a big loss ? In short, should I buy the Tsunami release or go for the Membran CD and another version of Lost Weekend ?

The sound quality of LOST WEEKEND and BLLOD ON THE SUN on the Tsunami CD is horrible. Of course, the much better choice nowadays is to buy the official Intrada CD of THE LOST WEEKEND which has also much improved sound quality and is even longer. The CD is in the meantime sold out at Intrada, but you can still get it for example here:
http://www.soundtrackcorner.de/the-lost-weekend-p6814.htm

Tsunami did only rip the old Tony Thomas and Citadel LPs of LOST WEEKEND and BLOOD ON THE SUN from ca. 1980 for their CD during the mid 90s. The same goes for the later Membran CD. Just forget them.
Citadel themeselves issued a CD version of theit old LP in 2006 which is still available at SAE:
http://www4.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/5937/BLOOD-ON-THE-SUN/

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

While Rózsa might receive great amounts of appreciation, this may not hold true for every soundtrack album of his music.

Intrada has depreciated Desert Fury from $19.99 down to $15.99 before it gets vanquished altogether.

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.9738/.f?sc=16&category=66697

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Has anyone seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOY7OmIPNoA

It's Walt Disney presenting the Oscar for best score in 1953. His pronunciation of Miklós Rózsa needs some work.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I always love when this thread gets resurrected.

I was just coming off a huge Bernard Herrmann jag (as many scores as I could buy, film score books and guides, biography, everything) when I first heard, REALLY HEARD the overture to Ben Hur. From there investigating the maestro's music was itself a blessing...I couldn't believe how many great scores Rozsa wrote. I still can't believe it...and that's not even counting his uniformly excellent concert music.

Desert Fury...folks it's a no-brainer, and we might not see this kind of thing for this film for awhile after this.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I still can't believe it...and that's not even counting his uniformly excellent concert music.


Have you heard the Piano Concerto in the Leonard Pennario version? Sheer brilliance.

 
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