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 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

So I must lead a charmed life -- being near them! Maybe next time they'll let me come to them and pick it up the same day!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

I have the Tadlow recording and I love it, but how does the original recording compare? Was curious to get people's thoughts who have had a chance to listen to this release already.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

I'm a little confused about labels. All I know is that I have the CD that was labeled as the original soundtrack, which I've had for years, but which, apparently, was re-arranged for pop appeal, and, yes, this new release is a different critter entirely. As Jeff Bond, whom I quoted above pointed out, it really wasn't the real deal, while the new CD is. See the basic points I very briefly made about each track -- I played most of it again in the wee hours before falling asleep, and I like it more each time I play it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I'm a little confused about labels. All I know is that I have the CD that was labeled as the original soundtrack, which I've had for years, but which, apparently, was re-arranged for pop appeal, and, yes, this new release is a different critter entirely. As Jeff Bond, whom I quoted above pointed out, it really wasn't the real deal, while the new CD is. See the basic points I made about each track -- I played it again in the wee hours before falling asleep, and I like it more each time I play it.

Ron: Moviescore1 is referring to a recent rerecording of the 'True Grit' score by The Prague Philharmonic and released on the Tadlow label. Again nothing like the version that was on the original LP.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Re: Ron: Moviescore1 is referring to a recent rerecording of the 'True Grit' score by The Prague Philharmonic and released on the Tadlow label. Again nothing like the version that was on the original LP.

Ahhhhhhhh -- that's where the "Tadlow" came in! I had mistakenly thought it was what I've long played and is labeled as the original soundtrack and which does seem to be a bit souped up. (I just edited what I wrote that you quoted, so your quote is a bit different from how it appears now.) Thank you for clarifying that.

To moviescore1, there's little comparison between what Capitol released as the soundtrack and this new one from La-La-Land -- this is how the music sounded in the film and not how it was souped up by Artie Butler for the market they thought wouldn't buy a real soundtrack. How foolish they were!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I'm a little confused about labels. All I know is that I have the CD that was labeled as the original soundtrack, which I've had for years, but which, apparently, was re-arranged for pop appeal, and, yes, this new release is a different critter entirely. As Jeff Bond, whom I quoted above pointed out, it really wasn't the real deal, while the new CD is. See the basic points I very briefly made about each track -- I played most of it again in the wee hours before falling asleep, and I like it more each time I play it.



Ron, back in the 60s many LPs were labeled "Original Motion Picture SOUNDTRACK" when they were re-recordings (sometimes POP versions), and should have been labeled "Original Motion Picture SCORE."

I bought the True Grit LP in 1969 and never played it, just awful.

Hope to get the real deal, the LLL CD, any day now. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   rmos   (Member)

By the way the original Capitol LP was never marketed as an "Soundtrack" album. The wording on the cover stated "Elmer Bernstein Conducts Themes from his Original Score Arranged by Artie Butler".

I kind of wish LaLaLand would have included the re-recording (which I like big grin) as a bonus, similar to what Arista did on their remastered CD of the "Taxi Driver" soundtrack.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

By the way the original Capitol LP was never marketed as an "Soundtrack" album. The wording on the cover stated "Elmer Bernstein Conducts Themes from his Original Score Arranged by Artie Butler".

I kind of wish LaLaLand would have included the re-recording (which I like big grin) as a bonus, similar to what Arista did on their remastered CD of the "Taxi Driver" soundtrack.




RMOS, I did indeed notice that when I bought the True Grit LP in 1969. Guess I was just wishing it would have been even a little better than what it was. It was properly labeled I guess although the overall packaging made it look like the original tracks.

In any event, I think they pressed too many of the LPs. In the early 70s I saw tons of them in the K-Mart type of discount stores for 50 cents each. Still a rip-off! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I usually prefer original film poster artwork on CD covers but not in this case because the TRUE GRIT poster was particularly uninspiring. In any case, the original was used for the LP and CD reissue so it made good sense to commission new artwork - which IMO is splendid.


The new CD artwork seems to have been inspired by the artwork on the most recent DVD reissue.



 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


In any event, I think they pressed too many of the LPs. In the early 70s I saw tons of them in the K-Mart type of discount stores for 50 cents each. Still a rip-off! smile


Obviously they didn't press enough CDs. But at £3,000 ($4,843) you'd think this seller could at least offer free postage. Still, at least someone knows the value of a good CD smile

http://www.amazon.co.uk/True-Grit-OST-Elmer-Bernstein/dp/B0002IQGR6/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A1A8ZTB9X5C0TI

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Ahhhhhhhh -- that's where the "Tadlow" came in!

Ron, I think that you would find that the Tadlow digital stereo re-recording is worth investigating. It's a dynamic and very faithful rendering of the score:

http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/true-grit/

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Well, at this point I think I've about OD'd on TRUE GRIT! Right now I'm concentrating on my TG playlist with the L-L-L recording (and skipping some of the extra cues). But I'll file that info away in case I ever stumble across a cheap copy of it! Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I received my copy today and have given it a listen. Fabulous! This has always been one of my absolute favorite Elmer Bernstein scores and I've desired these tracks since working in the theatre that played the film back in the day. I too was duped into buying the Capitol LP and always thought that it was an abomination. That opinion was driven mostly by the fact that I would have vastly preferred the original and my disappointment was pretty huge. Over time and with the availability of some recordings of the originals, I've revised my opinion somewhat. The Capitol material is what it is... a popped-up version of the major themes and is actually somewhat fun.

No disrespect for the Fitzpatrick/Tadlow recordings, it's a fine job with superior sonics, but I always preferred the original Bernstein performance. Things seem to pop more and it is just more...energetic. Kudos to La La Land for finally getting this right.

A couple of minor quibbles: this is offered in hopes of influencing future decisions rather than just nit-picking, but I don't think having the two versions of Glen Campbell's title song open the CD makes for a good listening experience. It works OK to have two very different versions of a main title or even a song and an instrumental, but two very similar versions of the exact same song opening the CD is kind of jarring. Please think about moving this type of thing to the bonus section on future releases.

The other (again, minor) quibble is in the otherwise fine liner notes. Fort Smith, Arkansas is referred to throughout the notes as PORT Smith, Arkansas. :/ Really? Helpful hint: when in a Western film, you are in doubt as to whether someone means "fort" or "port"...go with fort, the odds are w-a-a-a-a-y better.

Sorry if I come across as ungrateful. I'm just glad to have these recordings and the above-mentioned notes do not detract from the fine quality of this release. Many thanks to all involved.

Lastly, I have question that has always bothered me even since the Capitol LP. All rcorded versions of the score have a cue called "Big Trail". This appears in the film when LaBeouf makes the comment: "This is worse than a pig trail". The cue is a grand Western theme that sounds like a "Big Trail" but the context is "pig trail". Does anyone know if this was a bit of Bernstein humor in naming the cue? Or perhaps actually a mis-reading or even intentional re-labeling of the original cue title? I have to admit "Big Trail" fits the music better.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   waxmanman35   (Member)

I just finished listening to this wonderful release. I've always loved the film and the score is perfect, one of the best from that era. Thank you, LaLaLand.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


In any event, I think they pressed too many of the LPs. In the early 70s I saw tons of them in the K-Mart type of discount stores for 50 cents each. Still a rip-off! smile


Obviously they didn't press enough CDs. But at £3,000 ($4,843) you'd think this seller could at least offer free postage. Still, at least someone knows the value of a good CD smile

http://www.amazon.co.uk/True-Grit-OST-Elmer-Bernstein/dp/B0002IQGR6/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A1A8ZTB9X5C0TI




Doug, Maybe Amazon made a misprint.

Correction: The CD SELLER will pay YOU $4,843.00 to take this CD off his hands! smile smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Ray Worley:

Re: "A couple of minor quibbles: this is offered in hopes of influencing future decisions rather than just nit-picking, but I don't think having the two versions of Glen Campbell's title song open the CD makes for a good listening experience. It works OK to have two very different versions of a main title or even a song and an instrumental, but two very similar versions of the exact same song opening the CD is kind of jarring."

Nice review, and I'm glad you are pleased with CD too. And I certainly can understand your point about 2 Glen Campbell versions of the "True Grit" song to open it. It didn't bother me, because I rarely play a CD from start to finish, preferring to create a playlist of my own preferred order for my iPod and playing that through headphones or through the iPod dock of my big 7.1 system. So I suspect that the good folk at La-La-Land had that in mind when they arranged it, just assuming that most of us music lovers would rearrange the sequence anyway. But what a delight for us to have it! And also a delight to, after anticipating it, not be disappointed!

Incidentally, somewhere in the many pages of this discussion someone corrects me for thinking that the Capitol release of what seemed to be the soundtrack wasn't one at all. And now, looking closely at the CD cover, I see what I had long missed: "Elmer Bernstein conducts Themes From his Original Score Arranged by Artie Butler." And the Artie Butler reference should have immediately alerted me! But now we are blessed with the La-La-Land Records release, so all's well in the world!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2013 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   fisch   (Member)

How is the sound quality?......Since it's a relatively old recording, does it have that "AM radio" sound?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 12:26 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Re: How is the sound quality?......Since it's a relatively old recording, does it have that "AM radio" sound?

Are you asking about the Capitol recording as arranged by Artie Butler? Or the return to the originals on the La-La-Land Records release? After reading your post just now, I switched between the two for a couple of similar cues, and found that Artie Butler speeded up some things and replaced woodwinds and strings with more brass, making it sort of "True Grit Variations." But it does give us with a wider variety of Bernstein music from which to choose, although there are times while listening to the Capitol release that it kind of feels like it had been arranged for a jukebox. So stick with the new La-La-Land version! But to answer your question, no, neither have the AM radio sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   fisch   (Member)

RON HARDCASTLE:

Thanks. I was asking about the La La Land cd.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Re: You had me at "Jeff Bond’s rustic, informative notes." Might be the funniest hyperbole I've ever heard to describe liner notes. Love it and very excited for this release!

I assume that it's the liner notes booklet that is rustic (in appearance) and not, as you seem to see it, the text of what Bond wrote.

In MY case, I have the original soundtrack on CD as well as both volumes of Bernstein's music for John Wayne movies on Varese Sarabande, with several tracks from "Grit," which is probably sufficient for me.


You're referring to the wrong poster. I was referring to the actual press info to this, which referred to Jeff Bond's notes as "rustic," which I found quite funny. I didn't actually call Jeff's notes rustic, though as always I'm sure he brought the medium to the message. smile

 
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