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yeah I agree with Dana...mostly.
But if everybody agreed about everything, then somebody wouldn't be thinking. 
Whaddya mean, "mostly"?!? Why, I oughtta...
(Just trying to stir up a little controversy here so nobody'll think we aren't thinking!)
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bump!
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sup tj
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Jan 29, 2008 - 4:21 PM
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Morricone
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Talk about going back! I read this before I started participating on the board (it took me awhile). I am surprised no one brought up finance as if all agreed, "Hey, we're talking aesthetics here". But they always seem to inform each other. When they invented the record player all song writers wrote or rewrote to fit that format. When LPs came in you had to have enough material to fit that, like RCA demanding Mancini make a lounge album out of every one of his popular scores. Which is why we have so little of his classic scores and why he ran, not walked, away from his contract as soon as he could (thanks FSM for salvaging WAIT UNTIL DARK). CDs have now made it their business, even with mainstream music, to give the customer extra tracks from concerts, or demos, or even rejected songs to give customers their money's worth. And, of course, today everybody is filling up their ipods. For us, the smaller soundtrack audience, the same follows suit (LORD OF THE RINGS, 3 boxes, 4 CDs each!)If we can pay to get it all and then make up OUR minds, well sorry Thor that's not work for me, that's a breath of fresh air. The order of the cuts I agree with you and never had an argument with, and few did. Only occasionally do you want the chronological order to be adhered to absolutely.
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What´s the big drawback if a CD contains ALL of the music?
The drawback is that when everything being released is sooo long (especially current titles) and some scores may sound repetitive or redundant in those listening orders, and it may or may not turn potential listeners/customers away from experiencing so many of the great albums of yesteryear due to poor sequencing and the false generalization that ALL film music is like that.
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Maybe I am too optimistic but I think people are intelligent enough to know that getting MORE music for the same price is not really a disadvantage and that they can always omit the tracks that are too repetitive in their mind. There´ s also the possibility to mark all the "repetitive tracks" as "bonus tracks" and put them at the end of the CD so that even a very dumb person may know that he/she is not OBLIGED to listen to all the tracks if he/she does not really want to do that...
It depends on the person and it depends on the music. You asked why it would be a drawback, and I answered the question, I didn't intend for it to be a universally applied fact about every single film music composition. Only a possibility, I'm sure Thor has other answers, possibly already noted somewhere in this thread.
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Good question, I don't have an asnwer.
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Jan 29, 2008 - 11:33 PM
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pp312
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I agree. Whithout having read this thread now (I think I read parts of it quite a long time ago) I REALLY cannot understand why there is a need to fill so many pages with this "problem" (O.K. I just added a few lines myself  ). First of all: What IS the problem ? What´s the big drawback if a CD contains ALL of the music?
For me the problem is:
a)the score is diluted and devalued when so many weak and repetitive cues are included. The nature of film music is such that there's invariably going to be a certain amount of meaningless "note-spinning" in even good scores (i.e. when, say, a character is creeping through a dark house for 3 or 4 minutes accompanied only by the occasional electronic bonk).
b) There's a lot said about editing scores oneself. This is not always so easy even if one has the equipment. In fact, it can be downright confusing in a 70 minute score where half the cues are under a minute and many sound the same. I've had scores that I've listened to right through several times and still could not decide where to start and what to omit/keep. Like Thor I would generally prefer the composer, as the most logical arbiter, to do this for me.
c) I would like to see two or even more scores per CD,* which is generally not possible when complete scores are used. I feel that for every complete score released, another score that might have fitted nicely on the CD is neglected. Obviously I'm talking about "run-of-the-mill" scores, for want of a better phrase. I'm not talking about Spartacus, El Cid etc.
*A typical example being "Battle Beyond the Stars/Humanoids From The Deep".
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Wait..this thread goes on for way too long...too complete...can't we have a shorter version?
I think that joke has already been done in this thread.
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It's a great thread. There have been so many redundant offshoots, this one could have been of epic length, as it is, it is only a few pages.
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