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 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 4:34 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Where is this rip-off? Is it the section of The Chase that also appears in Wrath of Khan's Genesis Countdown?

Chris


I don't remember the second "incident", but in The Chase Horner quotes from a passage in Britten's "Sinfonia da Requiem".

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Would somebody kindly take us BACK to Intrada's "Cocoon" release before this was taken down an entirely different road that, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with Horner NOR "Cocoon." It looks like the principal culprit here was Aussie Reeve and his repeated comments about "Superman II" and John Williams and Richard Lester and so much else that belongs in a different thread. Geeze, folks

Hello Ron. Welcome to The Internet. I hope you like your stay.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   nz   (Member)

This is one of my favorite 80s scores.The main theme is one of Horner's loveliest melodies,and I love the big band stuff!It's great to see this beautiful classic get the deluxe treatment it deserves.
Thanks,Intrada!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   nz   (Member)

This is one of my favorite 80s scores.The main theme is one of Horner's loveliest melodies,and I love the big band stuff!It's great to see this beautiful classic get the deluxe treatment it deserves.
Thanks,Intrada!

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

The irony is that it was just a few days ago that I was defending the practice of broadening the scope of a discussion, and I wrote (elsewhere) that most discussions that stuck entirely to the original premise don't make it past the first page or 2 of comments. So I certainly recognize the validity of this one going elsewhere. But it seemed like in this case, we had lost touch with the matter of the new release of "Cocoon" and I was hoping to get it back to that and perhaps get some reviews of that CD from people who had bought it. I know the frustration of going to a discussion for the first time that looks interesting only to find that no one has mentioned the original subject in some time. So that was all I was trying to point out. And I put it in bold to more effectively make the point.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I can't find it now, because the “Superman Cinema” website has been taken down. It was mentioned a number of times, but exclusively in an interview with Ilya Salkind. I have a print out of that interview. In most articles, you will read that John Williams had creative differences with Director Richard Lester, and at other times you will read that Williams did not return because Richard Donner got fired, but in reality, he did go inside a room to see the film with Lester, and then he walked out of the room saying “I cannot work with this man!” I have the print out of the

interview. When I read it, obviously - to me, it was (and still is) a big deal, because that means, we would have had at least two Superman films with “Music By John Williams”.
Richard Lester’s frequent collaborator Ken Thorne was brought in to "adapt" Williams existing themes, because he was asked to do so, not because he is isn't talented etc.


That story was written up in FSM's Superman book with the Blue Box (page 62). It doesn't say exactly why Williams couldn't work with Lester. However, the emphasis you added, "I cannot work with this man!" was never there. Ilya Salkind claims Williams was very calm and professional about the whole matter.


Matt: FSM would never put anything like that in the book at that time. It would become a legal nightmare for them and not to mention make Williams very upset. Somethings are best left untouched. The story is probably TRUE and too crude. I only wish that Williams had scored this.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

This is one of my favorite 80s scores.The main theme is one of Horner's loveliest melodies,and I love the big band stuff!It's great to see this beautiful classic get the deluxe treatment it deserves.
Thanks,Intrada!


Ditto. Horners finest 80s score. Can't wait to get my order. How is the booklet like?

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Where is this rip-off? Is it the section of The Chase that also appears in Wrath of Khan's Genesis Countdown?

Chris


I don't remember the second "incident", but in The Chase Horner quotes from a passage in Britten's "Sinfonia da Requiem".


Play at 11:38 for the Spock in radiation chamber music repurposed for "The Chase" in Cocoon...



Lukas

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Do you think "The Ascension" or the first part anyway was temp track from "Saying Goodbye" from E.T.?

Also wasn't "The Chase", "The Ascension", and "Theme From Cocoon" one continuous track in the film? I don't remember any breaks.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Where is this rip-off? Is it the section of The Chase that also appears in Wrath of Khan's Genesis Countdown?

Chris


I don't remember the second "incident", but in The Chase Horner quotes from a passage in Britten's "Sinfonia da Requiem".


Play at 11:38 for the Spock in radiation chamber music repurposed for "The Chase" in Cocoon...


Yep, that's the one. Britten has always been one of Horner's favorite "inspirations", along with Prokofiev and Copland.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   1980's Soundtrack Whore   (Member)

Received my copy yesterday and have been playing it over and over since. Such a beautiful score!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

I really like the Cocoon score (and have been listening to it a lot) but listening to that Britten clip reminded me of what a freakin' talent that man was. At least Horner took from the best.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2013 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

listening to that Britten clip reminded me of what a freakin' talent that man was.

I've been delving into Britten's music of late and I have to say that I hold your thruth to be self evident.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2013 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   JAMES HORNER FILM MUSIC   (Member)

COCOON (OR EMOTION) BY JAMES HORNER
http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/cocoon-or-emotion-by-james-horner/

In 2013 we have definitely been spoiled by Intrada, with three James Horner albums: after the vibrant and unpublished In Country, the valiant and percussive Clear and Present Danger, here is the emotional and sensitive Cocoon. This is the perfect opportunity to revisit this outstanding music composed at the beginning of the Maestro's career, and look at the new elements of this edition.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

And I continue to enjoy Intrada's new "Cocoon" CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2013 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

This sounds STUNNING. I've A/B'd it versus the old Polygram/PEG disc and it's a significant upgrade in warm and strength — without feeling boosted.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2013 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

The sound quality is indeed spectacular. One of the best Intrada has produced. I haven't listened to this score since the early 90's and it's a pleasure to own it again.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2013 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   iain k   (Member)

... another of Horner's lazy sequel scores.

What??

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   JoshOz   (Member)

Must admit, I didn't really know the Cocoon score too well before purchasing the Intrada release. Glad I did purchase it though. The sound quality is excellent and as stated above it's nice to hear early Horner scores. Anyone out there who likes James Horner but is not sure about the Cocoon score, I highly recommend it. It's a great listen. Thanks again Intrada!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

This was always a favorite of mine, too, and goodness what a terrific job Intrada did with the master on this. Sounds are coming out of my speakers that I never heard before in this very familiar score. What a splendid release.

 
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