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Guys,
There are plenty of other great labels out there to release some of the Golden Age titles.
Well, to be fair, MV, now that FSM as a label is no more and SAE and BYU have drastically slowed their output there's really only Kritzerland regularly releasing stuff from Hollywood's Golden Age. Aside from them it's just you and Intrada with the occasional release, but you both focus on the era much less than Bruce...and pretty much just 50s/60s stuff rather than 30s or 40s. But I wouldn't say there are plenty of labels in that area...Percepto is also gone and Tribute Film Classics seems to be stalled on the re-recording front (Tadlow is mainly early Silver Age). I suppose the only other active Golden-Agey label is MMM which gets to some interesting but very niche stuff. There's also the little matter of what Bruce can get to -- unlike you or Intrada he has no access to Sony/Columbia, Warner Bros., MGM (pre-1986), or Universal stuff. So for example, he can't (at the moment anyway) get to George Duning's original 3:10 to Yuma score, while you presumably could (hey, it'd make a great companion to your hinted-at release of Beltrami's excellent score the excellent remake...)
I would rather Bruce release a Victor Young and he would rather us release a Jablonsky. Doug and Roger are more apt to release a Mancini while we would prefer an Elfman. Every so often we do a Golden Oldie and Kritzerland explores the 90's. Nothing is set in stone. A DAY OF THE DEAD will always outsell a CERTAIN SMILE...not because its a better score, it's because those with a disposable income and deep love of the film will snatch it up in a heart beep. And, as cold as it sounds, those folks are still alive, while a lot of older collectors are no longer with us.
It certainly doesn't help that A Certain Smile hasn't been released on any home video format! But thanks again for taking a chance and releasing that with your Sony connection -- it's a good example of a score Bruce may have liked to do but couldn't. Other great Alfred Newman scores that fit in that category: his final score, Airport (Universal, and LP re-recording complicating things), his penultimate score Firecreek (Warner Bros.), Nevada Smith (Paramount but rights complicated due to LP re-recording), Anne Frank (Fox but ditto), or a remastered reissue of How the West Was Won (MGM -- hey, Rhino's Superman, Ben-Hur, and North by Northwest got fancy new definitive versions so why not this masterpiece?)
Musical tastes change with each generation. There are some old souls out there, but they are few. If I had boatloads of cash I would release 20 scores a week from every age until there was nothing to release regardless if they sold or not. I love it all (well, most of it), but I have to be fiscally responsible for my company, my employees and my family.
Perfectly understandable and reasonable. We Golden Age fans appreciate what you're able to put out!
We are working on some great Golden Age scores currently...one will be one of our BLACK FRIDAY titles. 2014 will see some great titles from us that aren't just from the 70's, 80's, 90's and today. I adore Tiomkin, Herrmann, Waxman, and Korngold. However, Newman, North, Steiner and Rozsa are hit and miss for me. I find them either brilliant or bland. It stands to reason that some of their works are bland simply because they scored so many damn pics back in the day! Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good. You guys think Horner rips himself off all the time? Have you heard more than 10 Rozsa scores? lol! Then there are some unsung heroes like Salter, Skinner, and Stothart who barely have anything out there. Then again, most of their works are most likely lost to the ages.
Don't forget the often-subtle but always-masterful Roy Webb in the latter list since I know you share my enthusiasm for him!
Taste is a funny thing. For me I'd move Rozsa and Newman onto the "adore" list (though I certainly admit they both had a tendency to quote themselves from time to time...Newman more Horner-like than Rozsa IMO) but place Young and yes, Tiomkin (and Stothart even more) on to the hit-or-miss list with Steiner. All four of those composers I feel often, though not always, epitomize what I dislike about Golden Age film music, and what I think a lot of Golden Age-haters stereotype negatively as the "Golden Age sound": ie. heavy-handed/unsubtle/over the top. Tiomkin, who you consider one of your favorites, I might characterize as the worst of the bunch on his bad days. For example, by and large I personally think his scores for Hitchcock hurt the films far more than they help them!
I guess Newman started out in the same crowd, with several of his 30s and early 40s scores in a faux-Steiner vein, but he changed with the times better than most and by the mid 40s for sure I'd be surprised if you find his output "bland" with any frequency.
Yavar
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Guys,
There are plenty of other great labels out there to release some of the Golden Age titles.
Well, to be fair, MV, now that FSM as a label is no more and SAE and BYU have drastically slowed their output there's really only Kritzerland regularly releasing stuff from Hollywood's Golden Age. Aside from them it's just you and Intrada with the occasional release, but you both focus on the era much less than Bruce...and pretty much just 50s/60s stuff rather than 30s or 40s. But I wouldn't say there are plenty of labels in that area...Percepto is also gone and Tribute Film Classics seems to be stalled on the re-recording front (Tadlow is mainly early Silver Age). I suppose the only other active Golden-Agey label is MMM which gets to some interesting but very niche stuff. There's also the little matter of what Bruce can get to -- unlike you or Intrada he has no access to Sony/Columbia, Warner Bros., MGM (pre-1986), or Universal stuff. So for example, he can't (at the moment anyway) get to George Duning's original 3:10 to Yuma score, while you presumably could (hey, it'd make a great companion to your hinted-at release of Beltrami's excellent score the excellent remake...)
I would rather Bruce release a Victor Young and he would rather us release a Jablonsky. Doug and Roger are more apt to release a Mancini while we would prefer an Elfman. Every so often we do a Golden Oldie and Kritzerland explores the 90's. Nothing is set in stone. A DAY OF THE DEAD will always outsell a CERTAIN SMILE...not because its a better score, it's because those with a disposable income and deep love of the film will snatch it up in a heart beep. And, as cold as it sounds, those folks are still alive, while a lot of older collectors are no longer with us.
It certainly doesn't help that A Certain Smile hasn't been released on any home video format! But thanks again for taking a chance and releasing that with your Sony connection -- it's a good example of a score Bruce may have liked to do but couldn't. Other great Alfred Newman scores that fit in that category: his final score, Airport (Universal, and LP re-recording complicating things), his penultimate score Firecreek (Warner Bros.), Nevada Smith (Paramount but rights complicated due to LP re-recording), Anne Frank (Fox but ditto), or a remastered reissue of How the West Was Won (MGM -- hey, Rhino's Superman, Ben-Hur, and North by Northwest got fancy new definitive versions so why not this masterpiece?)
Musical tastes change with each generation. There are some old souls out there, but they are few. If I had boatloads of cash I would release 20 scores a week from every age until there was nothing to release regardless if they sold or not. I love it all (well, most of it), but I have to be fiscally responsible for my company, my employees and my family.
Perfectly understandable and reasonable. We Golden Age fans appreciate what you're able to put out!
We are working on some great Golden Age scores currently...one will be one of our BLACK FRIDAY titles. 2014 will see some great titles from us that aren't just from the 70's, 80's, 90's and today. I adore Tiomkin, Herrmann, Waxman, and Korngold. However, Newman, North, Steiner and Rozsa are hit and miss for me. I find them either brilliant or bland. It stands to reason that some of their works are bland simply because they scored so many damn pics back in the day! Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good. You guys think Horner rips himself off all the time? Have you heard more than 10 Rozsa scores? lol! Then there are some unsung heroes like Salter, Skinner, and Stothart who barely have anything out there. Then again, most of their works are most likely lost to the ages.
Don't forget the often-subtle but always-masterful Roy Webb in the latter list since I know you share my enthusiasm for him!
Taste is a funny thing. For me I'd move Rozsa and Newman onto the "adore" list (though I certainly admit they both had a tendency to quote themselves from time to time...Newman more Horner-like than Rozsa IMO) but place Young and yes, Tiomkin (and Stothart even more) on to the hit-or-miss list with Steiner. All four of those composers I feel often, though not always, epitomize what I dislike about Golden Age film music, and what I think a lot of Golden Age-haters stereotype negatively as the "Golden Age sound": ie. heavy-handed/unsubtle/over the top. Tiomkin, who you consider one of your favorites, I might characterize as the worst of the bunch on his bad days. For example, by and large I personally think his scores for Hitchcock hurt the films far more than they help them!
I guess Newman started out in the same crowd, with several of his 30s and early 40s scores in a faux-Steiner vein, but he changed with the times better than most and by the mid 40s for sure I'd be surprised if you find his output "bland" with any frequency.
Yavar
Yavar, I just placed Max Steiner on my official "adore" list!
Sorry to disappoint you ............. 
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Do we really need to put up with this? I'm fine if LeHah has his little fandom thing but does he really need to rub it in everyone's face?
Senn55 (BasilFSM), did you really say that? Really? What is the phrase? "The pot calling the kettle black."
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Isn't that the one that appeals mostly to dead people?
I might give that old thing a spin, but only after I've finished playing HANSEL AND GRETEL: WITCH HUNTERS.
Isn't that the one that appeals to young people who are dead inside?
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