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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   hal_jackson   (Member)

I have a copy of the first two pages of the manuscript of the Main Title. It came from a film orchestration class. The orchestrations, as written, have the melody begin in 6 horns, 3 trombones, and a bass trombone. Possibly these were augmented, but this is what appears in the manuscript (this is Greig McRitchie's orchestration).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

And keep in mind the studio practice of overdubbing, which has been common in audio recordings for decades, both cinema and classical. When you read about some improbable number of musicians in FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE or the augmented brass in the QUO VADIS marches, you shouldn't imagine an overcrowded stage. It's more likely that the brass and percussion guys came back with some friends for an extra session that would be post-synchronized with the original via the click track that is used for such things.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

Over 20 horns wouldn't make any sense. Anything above 8 produces no substantially different sound.

Herrmann used 16 horns in Torn Curtain, so it's not unheard of.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   d-udo   (Member)

read the liner notes in the Intrada CD for "Anvil of crom". There is a note that for this cue was made overdubs. And that was the Frenchhorn Section.
So simple. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Over 20 horns wouldn't make any sense. Anything above 8 produces no substantially different sound.

Herrmann used 16 horns in Torn Curtain, so it's not unheard of.


Where did you read that? It sounds like an interesting source of information.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

Over 20 horns wouldn't make any sense. Anything above 8 produces no substantially different sound.

Herrmann used 16 horns in Torn Curtain, so it's not unheard of.


Where did you read that? It sounds like an interesting source of information.


It's in the liner notes for the Bernstein FMC recording of the score. It's quite an ensemble - it also uses 12 flutes, 9 trombones, 8 celli, 8 bases, two sets of tympani!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Alfachrger   (Member)

Over 20 horns wouldn't make any sense. Anything above 8 produces no substantially different sound.

Herrmann used 16 horns in Torn Curtain, so it's not unheard of.


Where did you read that? It sounds like an interesting source of information.


It is mentioned in Salonen's recording compilation of Herrmann's music. To quote the liner notes for the Torn Curtain tracks. "The ensemble is one of the strangest in the annals of orchestration: sixteen French horns, twelve flutes, nine trombones, two tubas and a string section dominated by cellos and basses".

On to Conan, I found this thread on this site about the Blue Ray release with this little nuget.


" Posted: Aug 15, 2011 - 6:20 AM
By: hal_jackson (Member)

I spoke to Basil around 1991 by telephone (he was very accessible) and he shared many things with me about the CONAN score. One thing he mentioned was the horn overdubs in the main and end titles, to give the impression of many horns playing the melody (which is a slowed down version of the "Crom" theme - first heard in the talk between Conan's father/son on the mountaintop).

The new Blu-Ray, in addition to missing the choral sections, seems to be missing the horn overdubs in the End Title. Notice how the melody seems to be lacking weight and dynamics in the horns? It's kind of frustrating since the general quality of the music recording is astonishing in its fidelity - I noticed many details in the orchestration I never noticed before.

I've always liked the Main Title. I'm particularly fond of the constantly changing meters underneath the "Crom" theme played by the horns/horn overdubs. Interestingly, Basil plays the latter part of the theme in 4/4 but plays in the initial part with all the changing meters. "


http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=4&forumID=1&threadID=79048&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   TxIrish   (Member)

I'm the original poster, and I've got to say, WOW, thanks for all the thoughts that people have shared! You've given me much to think about. Honestly, I've thought that eventually, I'd wind up getting both the Raine new recording and Intrada, but it's worth asking... there's so much music I want to get, I do my best to choose carefully what I spend my money on.

Thanks also to whoever suggested listening to the samples of the Rain recording, which I'm doing right now, and yes, the sound is fantastic.

One more question... I don't mean to dust up a problem, but I have Ford Thaxton on my 'ignore' list, but I can see from replies that quote him that he's also been responding to this thread. Was he a producer on the Raine new recording? What I'm really asking is, if I purchase it, would he be getting some of my hard earned money? That could be a deal breaker.

Thanks for your thoughts!! Much appreciated!!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

If only the original, original soundtrack had been done by Intrada. frown
bruce
Listen to TOMBSTONE etc, to hear what great sound really is!

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

One more question... I don't mean to dust up a problem, but I have Ford Thaxton on my 'ignore' list, but I can see from replies that quote him that he's also been responding to this thread. Was he a producer on the Raine new recording? What I'm really asking is, if I purchase it, would he be getting some of my hard earned money? That could be a deal breaker.

Thanks for your thoughts!! Much appreciated!!!


Ford is mentioned on the "thanks" list. YOR does not know if your money will end on his pocket.

YOR also promessed never to buy any other album produced by FAT.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I'm the original poster, and I've got to say, WOW, thanks for all the thoughts that people have shared! You've given me much to think about. Honestly, I've thought that eventually, I'd wind up getting both the Raine new recording and Intrada, but it's worth asking... there's so much music I want to get, I do my best to choose carefully what I spend my money on.

Thanks also to whoever suggested listening to the samples of the Rain recording, which I'm doing right now, and yes, the sound is fantastic.

One more question... I don't mean to dust up a problem, but I have Ford Thaxton on my 'ignore' list, but I can see from replies that quote him that he's also been responding to this thread. Was he a producer on the Raine new recording? What I'm really asking is, if I purchase it, would he be getting some of my hard earned money? That could be a deal breaker.

Thanks for your thoughts!! Much appreciated!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I

One more question... I don't mean to dust up a problem, but I have Ford Thaxton on my 'ignore' list, !


Your loss, I tend to offer vastly better information then most.

However, folks who bury their heads to hide from opinions they don't like really need to get a life already.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

I

One more question... I don't mean to dust up a problem, but I have Ford Thaxton on my 'ignore' list, !


Your loss, I tend to offer vastly better information then most.

However, folks who bury their heads to hide from opinions they don't like really need to get a life already.

Ford A. Thaxton


Oh, we will get your releases.

We just won't pay for it...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Your loss, I tend to offer vastly better information then most.
Ford A. Thaxton



Now if THAT'S not evidence of a healthy sense of humor, I don't know what is.
Right on, Ford!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I

One more question... I don't mean to dust up a problem, but I have Ford Thaxton on my 'ignore' list, !


Your loss, I tend to offer vastly better information then most.

However, folks who bury their heads to hide from opinions they don't like really need to get a life already.

Ford A. Thaxton


Oh, we will get your releases.

We just won't pay for it...


What's the alternative: STEAL IT.

That's your choice


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

What's the alternative: STEAL IT.

That's your choice

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, you deserve it.

Others do not.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

What's the alternative: STEAL IT.
That's your choice
Ford A. Thaxton



Not necessarily, Ford. There's no need to jump to conclusions.
They can certainly be received as gifts.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

What's the alternative: STEAL IT.

That's your choice

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, you deserve it.

Others do not.


Right, that's such a mature answer..


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Right, that's such a mature answer..

Ford A. Thaxton


Mature or not, the fact is that FAT will never see the color of YOR's money again.

And YOR is sure others are doing the same right now.

So FAT days of paying cute girls to take photo to his facebook profile are gone now...

big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

STOP bitching at each other or this thread is done. Who wants to wade through urine to engage in the discussion? Most of us don't.

 
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