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 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

The pain... the pain!

CONFIRMED

Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Robocop 3
Basil Poledouris - 1997 - Starship Troopers


SUSPECTED BUT UNCONFIRMED:

Basil Poledouris - 1995 - Under Siege 2
Basil Poledouris - 1994 - On Deadly Ground
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Hot Shots Part Deux
Basil Poledouris - 1999 - For Love Of The Game


STARSHIP TROOPERS would benefit immensely from expanding, as would ROBOCOP 3. A complete STARSHIP TROOPERS would fill two CDs, and ROBOCOP 3 could easily be doubled in length.

UNDER SIEGE 2 and FOR LOVE OF THE GAME could also be doubled in length. Both are missing a large amount of good material.

ON DEADLY GROUND contains most of the score, as I recall. HOT SHOTS isn't missing much either, maybe a couple of minor cues.


Still hoping DX ed. for at least a few of these titles.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2012 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   MerM   (Member)

Any idea if Matinee is held in perp by Varese?

MV, Lukas, anybody?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2012 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Bob Shelack   (Member)

Guys, anyone has any info whether Varese is still guarding the rights jealously for the above titles?

Laughing my balls off at this.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2012 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

I mentioned in another thread that Slapstick of Another Kind (Morton Stevens/Michel Legrand) may be owned in perpetuity.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Two more additions to the list:

Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Gremlins 2: The New Batch
Shirley Walker - 1992 - Memoirs of an Invisible Man

Confirmed via email from MV.

Like he said in this thread, almost everything they released in the 90s they retained perpetuity rights to.

I believe they have perpetuity rights to the first Matrix score by Don Davis as well

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I've wonder since the Blu-ray release in 2008 if Varese having "perpetuity rights" to Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES is what kept the BD from having an isolated score track? All the sequels had isolated scores, but not the original -- and the best. And isn't it about time Varese re-released APES sans the suit from ESCAPE and with a new -- and better -- booklet and cover art?

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I've wonder since the Blu-ray release in 2008 if Varese having "perpetuity rights" to Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES is what kept the BD from having an isolated score track? All the sequels had isolated scores, but not the original -- and the best. And isn't it about time Varese re-released APES sans the suit from ESCAPE and with a new -- and better -- booklet and cover art?

I think the in perpetuity for titles released in the 90's only applies to movies with release dates in the same decade, so with APES being a 60's film it doesn't seem that the same rule applies. And for the record, I love the booklet and cover art on their edition.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Two more additions to the list:

Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Gremlins 2: The New Batch
Shirley Walker - 1992 - Memoirs of an Invisible Man

Confirmed via email from MV.

Like he said in this thread, almost everything they released in the 90s they retained perpetuity rights to.

I believe they have perpetuity rights to the first Matrix score by Don Davis as well


There's actually not much more to Invisible Man than you'd think.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   MerM   (Member)

With all due respect, that line of thinking results in things like the Chinatown debacle.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

There's actually not much more to Invisible Man than you'd think.

Unless there was score dropped from the film, alternates, and if Jack Nitzsche recorded his score then there's a whole other score to be released.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I remember when I was younger thinking there was a ton of music left off of Memoirs, but after watching the movie again (I know, right?), all the major stuff is on there. There's probably less than 10 minutes missing, and it's short, transitional cues for the most part. Great score anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2012 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


CONFIRMED:
Jerry Goldsmith - 1968 - Planet of the Apes [5]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Gremlins 2: The New Batch [3]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - Air Force One [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1996 - Executive Decision [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 2002 - Star Trek Nemesis [1]
Michael Kamen - 1990 - Die Hard 2 [1]
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Robocop 3 [4]
Basil Poledouris - 1997 - Starship Troopers [1]
Leonard Rosenman - 1990 - Robocop 2 [4]
Miklos Rozsa - 1981 - Eye Of the Needle [2]
Alan Silvestri - 1989 - The Abyss [3]
Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Back To The Future III [2]
Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Predator 2 [1]
Alan Silvestri - 1995 - The Quick And The Dead [1]
Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Volcano [1]
Shirley Walker - 1992 - Memoirs of an Invisible Man [3]

SUSPECTED BUT UNCONFIRMED:
John Barry - 1986 - Peggy Sue Got Married
Don Davis - 1999 - The Matrix
John Frizzell - 1997 - Dante's Peak
Elliot Goldenthal - 1998 - Sphere
Jerry Goldsmith - 1976 - The Omen
Jerry Goldsmith - 1978 - Damien: Omen II
Jerry Goldsmith - 1981 - The Final Conflict
Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Total Recall
Jerry Goldsmith - 1995 - Psycho II
Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - U. S. Marshals
Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - Small Soldiers
James Horner - 1986 - Aliens
James Newton Howard - 1995 - Outbreak
James Newton Howard - 1999 - The Sixth Sense
Trevor Jones - 1998 - Merlin
Michael Kamen - 1999 - The Iron Giant
Basil Poledouris - 1995 - Under Siege 2
Basil Poledouris - 1994 - On Deadly Ground
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Hot Shots Part Deux
Basil Poledouris - 1999 - For Love Of The Game
Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Mouse Hunt



That's a relief. Apart from the original soundtrack of Eye of the Needle and Psycho II, I already have more than I need or want of the others. Better if Varese concentrates its energies on previously unreleased titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The other labels should worry less about what Varese owns in perpetuity, and concentrate more on stuff that they themselves have apparently disowned in perpetuity, like the great original soundtracks of Frank Skinner.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   TM2-Megatron   (Member)

Yeah, yeah, we get it.

Whatever happens with the others (of which I'm personally interested in several), something's going to need to be done with Star Trek: Nemesis or it'll be the odd one out, once the moratorium on new Trek stuff due to this summer's film ends and GNP gets around to re-releasing Insurrection.

If Varese does Nemesis itself, maybe it'll set a precedent for revisiting others going forward. If they license it out to LLL or Intrada, that would set an even better precedent. There's no reason to let some of those scores gather dust in Varese's basement while there's money to be made, so if VS would rather focus on other titles (understandable), let them license some of their catalogue to the other labels, if they're willing (and I think we know they would be).

Without even needing to go back and re-watch that list of films, I know for a fact I'd buy a complete Gremlins 2 (feels like an Intrada), Air Force One (LLL), The Abyss (Intrada), Back to the Future 3 (Intrada), Volcano (LLL), U.S. Marshals (that'd be a good fit for LLL, as they've already done The Fugutive), Aliens (Intrada)... and probably The Iron Giant (Intrada) and Hot Shots Part Deux (LLL). If I went back and watched them all to refresh the scores in my mind, who knows how many more I'd buy? Varese has nothing to lose; all the risk would be assumed by the label licensing the work.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Whatever happens with the others (of which I'm personally interested in several), something's going to need to be done with Star Trek: Nemesis or it'll be the odd one out, once the moratorium on new Trek stuff due to this summer's film ends and GNP gets around to re-releasing Insurrection.

Oh, jeez, there's going to be a moratorium this summer because of the new movie? That's as ridiculous as the "Bat Embargo" Warner Bros. put on the Justice League animated series because of the Nolan movies.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Whatever happens with the others (of which I'm personally interested in several), something's going to need to be done with Star Trek: Nemesis or it'll be the odd one out, once the moratorium on new Trek stuff due to this summer's film ends and GNP gets around to re-releasing Insurrection.

Oh, jeez, there's going to be a moratorium this summer because of the new movie? That's as ridiculous as the "Bat Embargo" Warner Bros. put on the Justice League animated series because of the Nolan movies.


Are the (by my count) 28 discs of "Star Trek" music from the past year (including LLL's imminent "Deep Space Nine" set but not including Intrada's identical reissue of LLL's "Star Trek V") not enough to tide you over until fall?

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Don't forget Back To The Future Part 3.

If I remember right I emailed Roger about Intrada doing that score and he told me Varése owns the rights in perpetuity.



nuthin' wrong with the VS release
(unless you're a c&c nut job)

smile
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The other labels should worry less about what Varese owns in perpetuity, and concentrate more on stuff that they themselves have apparently disowned in perpetuity, like the great original soundtracks of Frank Skinner.


who????

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2013 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)


Without even needing to go back and re-watch that list of films, I know for a fact I'd buy a complete Gremlins 2 (feels like an Intrada), Air Force One (LLL), The Abyss (Intrada), Back to the Future 3 (Intrada), Volcano (LLL), U.S. Marshals (that'd be a good fit for LLL, as they've already done The Fugutive), Aliens (Intrada)... and probably The Iron Giant (Intrada) and Hot Shots Part Deux (LLL). If I went back and watched them all to refresh the scores in my mind, who knows how many more I'd buy? Varese has nothing to lose; all the risk would be assumed by the label licensing the work.


I really don't understand why "Aliens" keep apearing in wish lists after Varese released the (still available) Deluxe edition in 2001 which includes, as far as I know, the complete score as recorded by James Horner with a fantastic sound! I know that the drum beats at the preparations in the cargo bay is missing but that supposedly is library music replacing the too optmistic music Horner composed. Other than that only the music taken from Alien is not included.

In fact this is one of the few Delixe editions that Varese released that I think is actualy complete (Omen I and III, Poltergeist II and many others are missing music).

From the Alien series the only thing that need to be found and released is the Alien 3 score, that supposedly got damaged/destroyed, but I still have hopes that LLL might find a suitable source and release it.

Back to the topic, the recent Die Hard 2 increased my hopes for other Varese titles like Predator 2, Robocop 3, Gremlins 2, The Abyss and others. I suspect we will see one of these "perpetuity" titles expanded in each of the next Club releases.

On Psycho II, I think it was mentioned by MV that it was not one of the titles Varese had in perpetuity, but I might be wrong. It remains one of my most wanted grails and I hope Intrada might release it (and Psycho III). If it remains with Varese I'd also welcome it being released as part of their Club/Deluxe releases

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2013 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Are the (by my count) 28 discs of "Star Trek" music from the past year (including LLL's imminent "Deep Space Nine" set but not including Intrada's identical reissue of LLL's "Star Trek V") not enough to tide you over until fall?

I haven't even bought any of those releases, either because of money or lack of interest. I simply don't understand why the studio has to put a hold on companies releasing Star Trek-related stuff just because of the new movie coming out. Whenever I hear about these "embargos" (like WB's "Batman Embargo" I mentioned), they just make no sense.

 
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