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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: BUtterfield 8: Bronislau Kaper at M-G-M, Vol. 1
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I personally like "I" statements, Ron, rather than flaming rants. There is no need to refer to me here. State your case about yourself and what you believe and leave it at that. I have no need for anyone, including you, to worry about my knickers.

When I WAS a boy in the 1950's, my grandfather had a hearing aid, what was then state of the art. He would turn it on and still continue to say, "Speak louder! I can't hear you!" So we would speak louder, and he claimed that he still couldn't hear us. The family all piled in the car and went to the audiologist with grandpa, who had spent a small fortune on his hearing aid.

What the audiologist told us was that Grandpa's state-of-the-art hearing aid was essentially like a monaural vinyl record. EVERYTHING, including traffic, footsteps, wind, the television... everything audible reaching grandpa's hearing aid and the detail is gone.

Stereo recordings today indeed run the gamut, and some scores are so bad they don't even deserve to be printed for anyone to hear, stereo or not.

As far as I know I have a vote on this website the same as everyone else. I don't attack other posters here either with "you should think this" and "you should think that. My initial response simply stated clearly that this customer, myself only, is not buying any monaural recordings. That's my vote, I stand by it, and by the look of sales figures, I am not alone. A lot of those monaural recordings are still sitting on the shelves for years and not selling... and they certainly are not on my shelves.



I get it...you want to post and no one is to refer in any way to your posts. Got it.



 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Why did companies such as Deutsche Grammophone re-record nearly their entire monaural catalogue to sterephonic sound?

Umm, perhaps to sell more records? Even though some of those stereo versions were inferior to some of the older ones.

Why would John Morgan spend a small fortune to re-record classics in stereo if monaural was sufficient?

Nobody said the old versions were "sufficient." Some people are saying they are unlistenable, which is a very different thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Remember, that many of the recordings that are issued today were NEVER intended to be listened to in stereo.

True. But then much film music was never intended to be heard in the clear at all. It was written and recorded to blend with dialogue and ambient sound. In a sense the whole "soundtrack album" phenomenon is an aside from the subject of film music proper. Film scholars, even film music specialists like Claudia Gorbman and Kathryn Kalinak, often have no interest in ST albums. I sometimes think that some soundtrack "collectors" have no interest in film music!

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   RcM   (Member)

In very old classic soundtracks, such as ALEXANDER NEVSKY, attention was only paid to the composition of the music, not all of the elements of the film art. That wouldn't happen until the 1930's.

For the record, ALEXANDER NEVSKY premiered in late 1938. I would also take exception to your assertion that Eisenstein was not paying attention to all elements of the film art when collaborating with Prokofiev. (I mean, just the battle scene alone!)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

it arrived today.What can I say? terrific. Kaper was the man. I hope FSM releases the original tracks to THEM!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Why did companies such as Deutsche Grammophone re-record nearly their entire monaural catalogue to sterephonic sound?

This happened in popular music too. One example is the iconic jazz vocal album "Something Cool" by June Christy and Pete Rugolo. The original early-1950s release was in mono. They re-recorded the same album in stereo some years later. I have both versions, and the original mono is better by far musically.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I think Liz's finest hour with respect to looks was CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF. She's incredibly gorgeous in that film. You can't take your eyes off of her. Perhaps, as Manderley suggests, she had great cameramen.

I agree that is her finest hour.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I think Liz's finest hour with respect to looks was CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF. She's incredibly gorgeous in that film. You can't take your eyes off of her. Perhaps, as Manderley suggests, she had great cameramen.

I agree that is her finest hour.


Oh I dunno, she looked so good in Ivanhoe.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

BREAKHEART PASS sold out 3000 copies - in MONO!

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

The original Japanese CD release of BOY ON A DOLPHIN was monaural but the sound was so clear, and the instumental performances so distinct, that it was truly difficult to tell if it was stereo or mono. I was thrilled when Intrada released its stereo version, which I bought of course, but the improvements it brought were far less dramatic in comparison to its mono predecessor than many other such comparisons.

EDIT: Allow me to add... My set arrived today, and the sound is wonderful (yes, even on the mono SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME). Kaper's amazing versatility shines through in his music, which is just a pleasure to sit back and enjoy. Really love this!

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2010 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Listened to this wonderful set today. Loved all of it. I hope Volume 2 arrives quickly.

All the scores are very enjoyable and beautifully reproduced, but BUtterfield 8 itself is particularly special. One of the highlights of the year for sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2010 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Castile   (Member)

Received this today, and just listened to "BUtterfield 8."
Spec-feckin'-tacular.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2010 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

The original Japanese CD release of BOY ON A DOLPHIN was monaural but the sound was so clear, and the instumental performances so distinct, that it was truly difficult to tell if it was stereo or mono. I was thrilled when Intrada released its stereo version, which I bought of course, but the improvements it brought were far less dramatic in comparison to its mono predecessor than many other such comparisons.

EDIT: Allow me to add... My set arrived today, and the sound is wonderful (yes, even on the mono SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME). Kaper's amazing versatility shines through in his music, which is just a pleasure to sit back and enjoy. Really love this!


Just finished listening to Disc One, loved it all especially Somebody Up There Likes Me, a brilliant release from FSM...of course!

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

The original Japanese CD release of BOY ON A DOLPHIN was monaural but the sound was so clear, and the instumental performances so distinct, that it was truly difficult to tell if it was stereo or mono. I was thrilled when Intrada released its stereo version, which I bought of course, but the improvements it brought were far less dramatic in comparison to its mono predecessor than many other such comparisons.

EDIT: Allow me to add... My set arrived today, and the sound is wonderful (yes, even on the mono SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME). Kaper's amazing versatility shines through in his music, which is just a pleasure to sit back and enjoy. Really love this!


Just finished listening to Disc One, loved it all especially Somebody Up There Likes Me, a brilliant release from FSM...of course!


Intrada should have released BOY ON A DOLPHIN in a double CD set with the mono and stereo versions complete. I guess that is easy to say now.

Thank goodness people are enjoying this, otherwise the lot would just have to go into the dumpster out back.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thank goodness people are enjoying this, otherwise the lot would just have to go into the dumpster out back.

At only 1200 copies? Unlikely.

Speaking of Kaper, it surprises me a bit that Mutiny on the Bounty hasn't reached low quantity status yet.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Speaking of Kaper, it surprises me a bit that Mutiny on the Bounty hasn't reached low quantity status yet.


It's the price tag, of course...which doesn't bode well for Spartacus.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2010 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)



Intrada should have released BOY ON A DOLPHIN in a double CD set with the mono and stereo versions complete. I guess that is easy to say now.



Er....no. That's just plain daft. Intrada have to go to the trouble & expense of mastering from the mono album tracks. I have to buy a two disc set instead of one, & all to get the mono version that would have been a mix down from the stereo to start with.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2010 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)



Intrada should have released BOY ON A DOLPHIN in a double CD set with the mono and stereo versions complete. I guess that is easy to say now.



Er....no. That's just plain daft. Intrada have to go to the trouble & expense of mastering from the mono album tracks. I have to buy a two disc set instead of one, & all to get the mono version that would have been a mix down from the stereo to start with.


Then how do you explain the difference in sound quality between the two mixes? The stereo is new, the mono is leagues old.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2010 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)



Intrada should have released BOY ON A DOLPHIN in a double CD set with the mono and stereo versions complete. I guess that is easy to say now.



Er....no. That's just plain daft. Intrada have to go to the trouble & expense of mastering from the mono album tracks. I have to buy a two disc set instead of one, & all to get the mono version that would have been a mix down from the stereo to start with.


Then how do you explain the difference in sound quality between the two mixes? The stereo is new, the mono is leagues old.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2010 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Here's a suggestion from one who bought this set and really likes Kaper's score for BUTTERFIELD 8. If you're thinking that maybe it's impotant for you to see the film and hear the score in context:

Don't!

I did, and now the film is coloring my appreciation of the score. I'm sure I'll get over that, as my memory of the film fades back into the dim dark past, but this clearly is (yet another) case of a score gracing a film far more than it deserves. They should storm Liz Taylor's mansion, wrestle that Oscar away from her and deliver it to Bronislau Kaper's family...

 
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