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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2013 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

I came across such a board but only breezed through it. Their comments were not favorable towards the Bose system. Though I also took into account it was an audiophile board and their standards are different from the average joe that wants great sound from a simple set up.


Bose have spent a lot of money to cultivate the "image" of a high-end audio products manufacturer. Bose sell much of their product out of dedicated Bose stores -- isolated from other (and better) brands so customers can't make the comparison. Tellingly, Bose does not publish the specifications of its products either. In an effort to protect their image, Bose even sued Consumer Reports after it gave them a negative review.

I don't think their products suck necessarily, but they are overpriced and overhyped. Imagine Chevrolet trying to create the impression their products are on the same level with Mercedes-Benz. That's the Bose marketing strategy.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2013 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   filmo   (Member)

I use the focal jmlab chorus 836v speaker that I pair with my audio research amps and cd player and am thinking of upgrading to the focal 1028be speaker. any comments on this great line of speakers from France?

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2013 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I use the focal jmlab chorus 836v speaker that I pair with my audio research amps and cd player and am thinking of upgrading to the focal 1028be speaker. any comments on this great line of speakers from France?



I had the Focal CMS65 studio monitors and they were nothing but trouble. Little niggly things like bad soldering, faulty XLR socket, bad power switch etc. When I bought them, I was told they had a three-year warranty, but when I sent them for repair, they said only the drive units were three years, electronics was only one year. But that's their pro division. I haven't had dealings with their (highly-regarded) domestic products.
I sold them and now have a pair of Neumann KH120A.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2013 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

Coincidentally (re: this thread), last night we acquired a sweet little 8" subwoofer which we added to the standard twin-tower stereo speaker setup in our living room, and it sounds AWESOME. Seriously awesome, as in movie theater awesome. Well, ok, not quite, but still a major improvement. Giving INCEPTION a spin right now...BOOOOOOOOOM.

P.S. We spin CDs exclusively (for now anyways).

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

A good subwoofer can make a big difference.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

A good subwoofer can make a big difference.

I'm not sure I can agree with this ... given my limited experience. I ask the question: do dedicated hi-fi amplifiers have a sub-woofer output?

Due to lack of space (I live in a small house) and wanting an AV set-up I opted for a good (Pioneer) AV receiver which doubled up for my hi-fi use. I learnt, after some little while, that the best setting for CD play was "Direct" ... so much more realistic than any of the multi-channel settings which would employ the 5.1 set-up.

As for the sub-woofer, that was a pretty good one too (Pro-Ac ER-1) and dependent upon the CD would come into play. This was important as the speakers were Small and didn't carry enough Bass on their own.

I should have been satisfied with that set-up smile but I knew I could achieve better hi-fi sound so I opted to buy a dedicated hi-fi amp. Initially I used this - as a two speaker set-up - routing the outputs also through to the SW, only to find that (a) the SW was too boomy* and (b) the amp was too powerful for the small speakers! Since the new amp was not going to leave I had to change something ... so the small speakers were replaced with bigger ones and the SW removed form the hi-fi set-up.

I still use the SW for the AV set-up and the hi-fi speakers double-up as the AV's front speakers.

* I know I could have adjusted the input on the SW to compensate but that would have meant changing it each time I switched between hi-fi and AV. As the dealer advised me when I bought it: you'll take a long time getting the right setting for the room ... and then you'll kill anyone who changes it!

And the hi-fi - sans SW - is better than ever.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

A good subwoofer can make a big difference.

I'm not sure I can agree with this ... given my limited experience. I ask the question: do dedicated hi-fi amplifiers have a sub-woofer output?

Due to lack of space (I live in a small house) and wanting an AV set-up I opted for a good (Pioneer) AV receiver which doubled up for my hi-fi use. I learnt, after some little while, that the best setting for CD play was "Direct" ... so much more realistic than any of the multi-channel settings which would employ the 5.1 set-up.

As for the sub-woofer, that was a pretty good one too (Pro-Ac ER-1) and dependent upon the CD would come into play. This was important as the speakers were Small and didn't carry enough Bass on their own.

I should have been satisfied with that set-up smile but I knew I could achieve better hi-fi sound so I opted to buy a dedicated hi-fi amp. Initially I used this - as a two speaker set-up - routing the outputs also through to the SW, only to find that (a) the SW was too boomy* and (b) the amp was too powerful for the small speakers! Since the new amp was not going to leave I had to change something ... so the small speakers were replaced with bigger ones and the SW removed form the hi-fi set-up.

I still use the SW for the AV set-up and the hi-fi speakers double-up as the AV's front speakers.

* I know I could have adjusted the input on the SW to compensate but that would have meant changing it each time I switched between hi-fi and AV. As the dealer advised me when I bought it: you'll take a long time getting the right setting for the room ... and then you'll kill anyone who changes it!

And the hi-fi - sans SW - is better than ever.

Mitch


Speaker out to Subwoofer pretty much does not work, you need a subwoofer out, or LFE or something like that. If you do have it properly 'cut off' with the right frequency point it is not too boomy, and I have found that the small speaker/sub set up is quite a bit cleaner and more atmospheric than a two speaker set up. I never adjust mine for music/movie, and I run a good pioneer AVR.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I came across such a board but only breezed through it. Their comments were not favorable towards the Bose system. Though I also took into account it was an audiophile board and their standards are different from the average joe that wants great sound from a simple set up.


Bose have spent a lot of money to cultivate the "image" of a high-end audio products manufacturer. Bose sell much of their product out of dedicated Bose stores -- isolated from other (and better) brands so customers can't make the comparison. Tellingly, Bose does not publish the specifications of its products either. In an effort to protect their image, Bose even sued Consumer Reports after it gave them a negative review.

I don't think their products suck necessarily, but they are overpriced and overhyped. Imagine Chevrolet trying to create the impression their products are on the same level with Mercedes-Benz. That's the Bose marketing strategy.


my wife has an acoustimass set, and I found them very thin and tinny sounding. I bought an AR satellite system for less than half the price that sound much better. Bose will never get my money.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Speaker out to Subwoofer pretty much does not work, you need a subwoofer out, or LFE or something like that. If you do have it properly 'cut off' with the right frequency point it is not too boomy, and I have found that the small speaker/sub set up is quite a bit cleaner and more atmospheric than a two speaker set up. I never adjust mine for music/movie, and I run a good pioneer AVR.

That is basically the point I was making. Having opted to buy a hi-fi (2 speaker) amplifier I still wanted to use the SW as the speakers were Small; the hi-fi shop sourced me the relevant connection.

But then I changed the Small (front) speakers to Large so that the hi-fi uses just these, whilst the AV continues to use the 5.1 set-up.

Believe me, that whilst the Pioneer AVR produced excellent results, the dedicated 2 speaker hi-fi Amp is so much better. Where I have lost out is that occasional CD which has been mastered in Dolby Surround ... I sometimes play these in my DVD player through the 5.1 system and they sound great. But they sound much better in straightforward stereo anyway so I rarely bother.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Speaker out to Subwoofer pretty much does not work, you need a subwoofer out, or LFE or something like that. If you do have it properly 'cut off' with the right frequency point it is not too boomy, and I have found that the small speaker/sub set up is quite a bit cleaner and more atmospheric than a two speaker set up. I never adjust mine for music/movie, and I run a good pioneer AVR.

That is basically the point I was making. Having opted to buy a hi-fi (2 speaker) amplifier I still wanted to use the SW as the speakers were Small; the hi-fi shop sourced me the relevant connection.

But then I changed the Small (front) speakers to Large so that the hi-fi uses just these, whilst the AV continues to use the 5.1 set-up.

Believe me, that whilst the Pioneer AVR produced excellent results, the dedicated 2 speaker hi-fi Amp is so much better. Where I have lost out is that occasional CD which has been mastered in Dolby Surround ... I sometimes play these in my DVD player through the 5.1 system and they sound great. But they sound much better in straightforward stereo anyway so I rarely bother.

Mitch


Yeah Mitch, I like surround for movies, not that necessary for CD's anyway. Although I do not think I would go back to a 2 channel amp. I am pretty happy with my AVR since I also have a Pioneer blu ray running through it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

The weird thing is most true audio equipment fanatics have the WORST taste in music-they invite you 'to have a listen to the bass on this' and put on Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon' or Dire Straits 'Brothers In Arms' or a Phil Collins album. Even in the specialist stereo shops. The set-up is key.

Whereas I know true vinyl fanatics who don't even HAVE a record player!


You live in Bizarro world, Mr. Wayne. You cannot BE a vinyl fanatic just by going to clubs.

As for Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon"...it's a classic recording that absolutely rocks. Many film music fans can appreciate it alongside Bach or Beethoven or Delius and can also enjoy Puccini and Mozart AND hold John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith in EQUAL esteem.

Being afflicted with limitations is a sad thing.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Speaker out to Subwoofer pretty much does not work, you need a subwoofer out, or LFE or something like that. If you do have it properly 'cut off' with the right frequency point it is not too boomy, and I have found that the small speaker/sub set up is quite a bit cleaner and more atmospheric than a two speaker set up. I never adjust mine for music/movie, and I run a good pioneer AVR.

That is basically the point I was making. Having opted to buy a hi-fi (2 speaker) amplifier I still wanted to use the SW as the speakers were Small; the hi-fi shop sourced me the relevant connection.

But then I changed the Small (front) speakers to Large so that the hi-fi uses just these, whilst the AV continues to use the 5.1 set-up.

Believe me, that whilst the Pioneer AVR produced excellent results, the dedicated 2 speaker hi-fi Amp is so much better. Where I have lost out is that occasional CD which has been mastered in Dolby Surround ... I sometimes play these in my DVD player through the 5.1 system and they sound great. But they sound much better in straightforward stereo anyway so I rarely bother.

Mitch


Yeah Mitch, I like surround for movies, not that necessary for CD's anyway. Although I do not think I would go back to a 2 channel amp. I am pretty happy with my AVR since I also have a Pioneer blu ray running through it.




When watching movies you want, of course, to be inside the action. When you're listening to music - and if you have a well-treated room (or at least a room that's not acoustically problematic) - there's no real need for a surround system.

(Maybe you should give the 2-channel amp a second thought - you're pretty happy with your AVR but you could be totally happy listening through a dedicated audio amp! wink )

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Speaker out to Subwoofer pretty much does not work, you need a subwoofer out, or LFE or something like that. If you do have it properly 'cut off' with the right frequency point it is not too boomy, and I have found that the small speaker/sub set up is quite a bit cleaner and more atmospheric than a two speaker set up. I never adjust mine for music/movie, and I run a good pioneer AVR.

That is basically the point I was making. Having opted to buy a hi-fi (2 speaker) amplifier I still wanted to use the SW as the speakers were Small; the hi-fi shop sourced me the relevant connection.

But then I changed the Small (front) speakers to Large so that the hi-fi uses just these, whilst the AV continues to use the 5.1 set-up.

Believe me, that whilst the Pioneer AVR produced excellent results, the dedicated 2 speaker hi-fi Amp is so much better. Where I have lost out is that occasional CD which has been mastered in Dolby Surround ... I sometimes play these in my DVD player through the 5.1 system and they sound great. But they sound much better in straightforward stereo anyway so I rarely bother.

Mitch


Yeah Mitch, I like surround for movies, not that necessary for CD's anyway. Although I do not think I would go back to a 2 channel amp. I am pretty happy with my AVR since I also have a Pioneer blu ray running through it.




When watching movies you want, of course, to be inside the action. When you're listening to music - and if you have a well-treated room (or at least a room that's not acoustically problematic) - there's no real need for a surround system.

(Maybe you should give the 2-channel amp a second thought - you're pretty happy with your AVR but you could be totally happy listening through a dedicated audio amp! wink )



Yeah, I do not know, I could just turn off the surround right? Run front two channels and sub?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   cinemel1   (Member)

My parents bought me my first hi-fi system in 1960 as a HS graduation present. Strangely, they had no real interest in music or home listening. It had a Bogen receiver & Garrard turntable. I've been hooked and regularly upgraded the system over the years. I even had a quadraphonic setup in the 70s when they were introduced. Loved that surround sound. Eventually had a Technics turntable, excellent JBL speakers and a series of Yamaha AV receivers. Now I have Klipsch speakers up front & center and use the JBLs as rears. Love the current system for both music & movies. I do some listening on the computer, iPod or auto, but nothing compares with the sound on the regular speakers. I occasionally use the surround mode on the receiver for those scores of epic soundtracks such as Ben-Hur or El CID.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

My parents bought me my first hi-fi system in 1960 as a HS graduation present. Strangely, they had no real interest in music or home listening. It had a Bogen receiver & Garrard turntable. I've been hooked and regularly upgraded the system over the years. I even had a quadraphonic setup in the 70s when they were introduced. Loved that surround sound. Eventually had a Technics turntable, excellent JBL speakers and a series of Yamaha AV receivers. Now I have Klipsch speakers up front & center and use the JBLs as rears. Love the current system for both music & movies. I do some listening on the computer, iPod or auto, but nothing compares with the sound on the regular speakers. I occasionally use the surround mode on the receiver for those scores of epic soundtracks such as Ben-Hur or El CID.

JBL makes a good speaker.

I had some small ones that had real wood boxes, they have a warm sound to them.

Like an idiot I sold them.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

There's quality sound at all price points, don't just settle with the stuff that comes in the box.

I remember in high-school saving up for a pair of Sennheiser HD201 (these were $20 headphone) and a small external sound card and the sound was just great.


But weren't you posting in another thread here a year or two ago saying you didn't see how someone could put together a remotely acceptable basic system for $500, or something like that?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

There's quality sound at all price points, don't just settle with the stuff that comes in the box.

I remember in high-school saving up for a pair of Sennheiser HD201 (these were $20 headphone) and a small external sound card and the sound was just great.


But weren't you posting in another thread here a year or two ago saying you didn't see how someone could put together a remotely acceptable basic system for $500, or something like that?


It is a little work to find affordable separate units, not a prepackaged system.
The best way, most affordable is to look at the mark downs at Best Buy or such.
You can get a pretty nice AVR for a couple hundred. Speakers I always prefer new, but there are some affordable small size speakers.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

I look at my Big JBL speakers right now and cannot think of a minute i can't listen to music without those big boys, playing a Superaudio cd, gold cd or a DDD approved cd is almost having an eargasm to me. I cannot explain the feeling, you must hear, feel and experience it to understand.
In 10 years people are going to appreciate this way of listening to music again, we cannot blame them, there are almost no stores anymore that young people can listen to music the way we do or did, internet killed most of those stores..therefor all there is left for them is buying cheap sounding MP3 conversion via internet and that is what they are getting used too these days! The lack of a colourfull range of mHz that goes beyond a download can also damage your ears after a while, i think!

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

A good subwoofer can make a big difference.

hate 'em
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2013 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

They'll probably bury me in one of my JBL speaker cabinets which are over 100 pounds each and which I bought second-hand 42 years ago. Neeedless to say my wife has been pretty understanding over the years, though she HATES 'em !

 
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