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 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Ha! Yes, indeed, I now remember that credit. It was in the cue with the typo "Arrival of the Vistors." Also, "siege" is spelled incorrectly. Who was their proofreader?

And sure, the interpolation is there, though it's more apparent when the melody is referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition.

Though I knew the word "segue" before the "Star Wars" LP came out, I guess I'd never seen it written and assumed it was spelled like the self-balancing scooter now is. So I kept reading some word I assumed was pronounced "seeg" in those "Star Wars" liner notes.

Soundtracks can increase your word power!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Looks like a wonderful release, as these have proven to be! I admit, I am a little confused, albeit fascinated, with the assembly for this one. Would love to get a comparative speadsheet.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

This is a sensational score, many times I've thought it Williams' best.

I might get this. It's just that I have and really love my Varese (plus I just ordered both the Ben Hur Complete FSM and Final Conflict Deluxe, so I'm kinda broke now lol!).

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

This is a sensational score, many times I've thought it Williams' best.

I might get this. It's just that I have and really love my Varese (plus I just ordered both the Ben Hur Complete FSM and Final Conflict Deluxe, so I'm kinda broke now lol!).


Broke? WA, how do you even assimilate the sheer quantity of music you have come into since wrapping yourself up in film score music? By the way, how do you rate Herrmann's Day The Earth Stood Still, while on this theme of visitors from outta space?

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I'm pretty sure the Boston Pops recorded the inside the mothership music--but like you, I'll find out for sure when I read the liner notes...


Yes they did indeed. However the Excerpts recording done by the Boston Pops [readily available on various Philips cd ] is an altogether different take. The version used in the 80's Special Edition has never been released. So we will get the official premier of that very film version/take cue on this new 2cd for the first time.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

can anyone tell/surmise if the disco version is somewhere in here?
Doesn't appear to be. Too bad. It might be nostalgia, but I adore that track.



here u go...

Oh My.

https://youtu.be/Xn62rCVyNQk

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

This is a sensational score, many times I've thought it Williams' best.

I might get this. It's just that I have and really love my Varese (plus I just ordered both the Ben Hur Complete FSM and Final Conflict Deluxe, so I'm kinda broke now lol!).


Broke? WA, how do you even assimilate the sheer quantity of music you have come into since wrapping yourself up in film score music? By the way, how do you rate Herrmann's Day The Earth Stood Still, while on this theme of visitors from outta space?


My typical day look like this: get up at 4 am, eat and start composing and editing my music. This goes until 10 when I have lunch, put a couple hours of score study in, then listen to music with headphones on in my "dark room" until 1 pm, when I start back writing and editing music again.

From there I'm writing unti I eat at 5, then I'll usually take a walk with my s.o. and then listen to music in my dark room for hours (and/or sometimes watch a movie).

I'm lucky to have made enough off of my own music to be able to make music a 24-7 thing. I have all kinds of time to listen to music, I never even have to make time for it.

And yes considering the awful general state of the music business today I am extra fortunate, my story is one that I imagine quite a few out of work musicians and composers would practically kill for.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

OF all the Johnny T. Williams Scores...This CEOTK and Images are to me the most Complicated..but truly amazing sounds. Even Towner thinks Close Encounters along with Images and Schindler's List are his best. I have always listened to Close Encounters...The Film Version...it is truly amazing. Those Pesky Academy Members voted for the wrong score of 1977, my thoughts. Barry's Abduction (Film Version) is the price of admission. Complicated, weird, and astonishing achievement for T. Williams.

The Ending of Close Encounters is perfect music...when Jillian(taking pictures) and Barry says Bye! The Music of Johnny T is perfect...awe and inspiring..to the uplifting five notes! Great Work.

I too will be collecting this version of CEOTK.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

OF all the Johnny T. Williams Scores...This CEOTK and Images are to me the most Complicated..but truly amazing sounds. Even Towner thinks Close Encounters along with Images and Schindler's List are his best. I have always listened to Close Encounters...The Film Version...it is truly amazing. Those Pesky Academy Members voted for the wrong score of 1977, my thoughts. Barry's Abduction (Film Version) is the price of admission. Complicated, weird, and astonishing achievement for T. Williams.

The Ending of Close Encounters is perfect music...when Jillian(taking pictures) and Barry says Bye! The Music of Johnny T is perfect...awe and inspiring..to the uplifting five notes! Great Work.

I too will be collecting this version of CEOTK.


This is the film version.

https://youtu.be/O7dL3Syy4-c

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Didn't mean to pry, WA. That's a very disciplined way of going about things. I can only appreciate someone else's music. I don't have the spark to create my own. Shame.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And sure, the interpolation is there, though it's more apparent when the melody is referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition.

Wait a sec, Schiff! The melody is not only referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition. It is unmistakeable. There's no place in the original album I could point my finger and say . . . thar she bows! It just plain doesn't exist in that first time round. Not even in the place you'd expect to find it, the closing titles, etc, etc, etc.

If I may be so bold, they seem to have made damn sure it couldn't be mistaken for any of the original music the maestro wrote the first time round.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Didn't mean to pry, WA. That's a very disciplined way of going about things. I can only appreciate someone else's music. I don't have the spark to create my own. Shame.

You weren't prying at all. And I hope you have a wonderful holiday season (forgive me if I'm being politically incorrect, please).

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Sentiment reciprocated, WA.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

And sure, the interpolation is there, though it's more apparent when the melody is referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition.

Wait a sec, Schiff! The melody is not only referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition. It is unmistakeable. There's no place in the original album I could point my finger and say . . . thar she bows! It just plain doesn't exist in that first time round. Not even in the place you'd expect to find it, the closing titles, etc, etc, etc.


Sure it is, Grecchus! It's in "Arrival of the Visitors," just as that LP says. (Well, it says "Vistors.")

On that cue, go to 2:52. That's the first reference. The melodic line doesn't quite finish, it's like "When you wish u… Makes no difference… who you are."

Then again at 3:48, and this time, the melodic line is completed.

At 4:31, the final interpolation of the song melody in that cue begins.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Simon Gomersall   (Member)

And sure, the interpolation is there, though it's more apparent when the melody is referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition.

Wait a sec, Schiff! The melody is not only referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition. It is unmistakeable. There's no place in the original album I could point my finger and say . . . thar she bows! It just plain doesn't exist in that first time round. Not even in the place you'd expect to find it, the closing titles, etc, etc, etc.

If I may be so bold, they seem to have made damn sure it couldn't be mistaken for any of the original music the maestro wrote the first time round.


It's there all right - hidden in plain sight, at the end of "The Appearance of the Visitors". The high strings and chorale are playing phrases from WYWUAS (try singing along, "No request is too extreme..."), then Williams improvises a kind of rhapsodic flight, similar to" The Fortress of Solitude" from Superman before bringing back "When you wish upon a star" in 3/4 time at the end.

Got it now?

SG

Edit: Aaand, Schiffy beat me to it!

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I'm pretty sure the Boston Pops recorded the inside the mothership music--but like you, I'll find out for sure when I read the liner notes...

Pops did record it and we managed to track down the original master

smile

MV

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

I'm pretty sure the Boston Pops recorded the inside the mothership music--but like you, I'll find out for sure when I read the liner notes...

Pops did record it and we managed to track down the original master

smile

MV


Is that the one that appeared on "Pops in Space" as part of Williams' recording of the suite or a separate session?

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Thanks guys for pointing this out. Schiff, I FINALLY HEAR IT! Yeah, 4:31 Appearance Of The Visitors, was the Magic Eye moment.

Edit: If I can be even bolder . . . I'm now hearing the 5 notes as WHEN YOU WISH A STAR, with UPON ejected.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Ha! Yes, indeed, I now remember that credit. It was in the cue with the typo "Arrival of the Vistors." Also, "siege" is spelled incorrectly. Who was their proofreader?

And sure, the interpolation is there, though it's more apparent when the melody is referenced more explicitly in the Special Edition.

Though I knew the word "segue" before the "Star Wars" LP came out, I guess I'd never seen it written and assumed it was spelled like the self-balancing scooter now is. So I kept reading some word I assumed was pronounced "seeg" in those "Star Wars" liner notes.

Soundtracks can increase your word power!




AND.....your listening prowess.
Thanks to these very notes, I was started on a path to investigate & subsequently fall in love with the music of Russian composers. Go figure....
Dyno releases LLL, looking forward to hearing them all.
-Sean

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

This is one of the most satisfying releases I've gotten to work on. The best way to make sense out of the assembly is to not study it on paper. Just listen to the music when you get it, let it work on you like the UFO blasting Roy with light. Analyze and play around with it later.

There is actually a third typo on the LP, so here is a teaching moment: It's "Devils Tower" with NO apostrophe. It's a tower for ALL devils.

The end credits with the instrumental arrangement of "When You Wish Upon a Star" was planned from the beginning. It was the first thing recorded on Day 2 of the sessions. After the movie was done, Spielberg decided to use the actual song recording from Pinocchio instead and the movie was dubbed with that in October and was previewed that way. The reaction was not good and rather than revert to the instrumental version, Spielberg opted to have tracked music run over the second half of the credits. The original intent was restored for the 1980 S/E and remains exclusive to that version.

The 2LP album that Williams prepared ALSO included the actual Pinocchio song on it. So when it was dropped from the movie the album track was hurriedly fixed by simply taking the edited film mix and laying it off, which is why it always sounded inferior.

At the same time it was also decided to cut the whole thing down to a single LP release. It's possible someone at Arista heard it and decided it didn't have the same sales potential as Star Wars. Some of what was done for the album stayed, other things were lost, and tracks like "Climbing Devils Tower" were hurriedly cobbled together. Originally the whole thing was fairly chronological and we've kept to that.

Williams was also asked to arrange the disco theme, which he didn't really want to do and that's why on this project he asked that we not include it. Again someone must have seen what was happening with disco (the Meco Star Wars theme hit the charts and there was a lot of buzz about Saturday Night Fever). It was recorded in the 2nd week of November, so the album was already done. And that's why it was a separate 33 rpm single. Interestingly, the 8-track release actually STARTED with the disco theme!

It should be noted that nothing was recorded specifically for the album. Anything that was not in the movie was either an alternate, or partially for a deleted scene, or dialed out of the mix. Nor are there any alternate takes because Ken Wannberg used the original first generation multi-track tapes to edit the performances together.

"Inside" was indeed recorded with the Boston Pops in June 1980, with Spielberg and Michael Kahn present for it on their way to France to start Raiders. It was done that way because of Williams' Pops schedule and the opportunity was taken to integrate the new material into an updated version of the concert suite for Williams' first album with the orchestra, "Pops In Space." That album was done at the same time but the performance of that section is not at all the same as what was done for the film.

Mike M.

 
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