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 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

There seems to be a general consensus that a kickstarter would only apply to a more obscure score rather than a big grail. I'd be all in favor of giving it a whirl to see how well the process works out, but whichever label tries it is going to have to do a great job of selling the score to those of us unfamiliar with it.

About 1/3rd of my purchases are for scores that were totally off my radar prior to my release. Most recently, I purchased Rising Sun... the score to a film I've never seen by a composer I'd never heard of. What sold me on it was a combination of the sound clips, Bruce's (excellent) salesmanship and the positive comments on the board. So for kickstarter to go, you're going to have to have one hell of a sales pitch, given that I'm guessing the sound clips will be out of the question until the project is launched.

The other avenue I can see for kickstarter is for a prominent score that is in a different niche than most labels appeal to and is therefore a risk. Something like a musical or a cartoon. In this respect, the suggestion of something like My Little Pony is perhaps not a bad idea. That cartoon clearly has a large fan base, but one that's unproven in terms of its willingness to buy CDs from boutique labels. And, as we well know from the board MLP doesn't necessarily have the largest fan base amongst conventional soundtrack fans.

Anyways, give it a shot, if the score sounds appealing, I have no issues tossing in $20.

Chris.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

How many times have labels misjudged the level of interest in something and had to eat their up-front costs? This Kickstarter (or other) method would give a nice indication of interest right up front. The label would have to be certain to get the word out broadly among the "Soundtrackies", but that's what boards like this are for.

Let the labels ask how much interest there would be in a title, similar to what LLL did with the Star Trek OS Box. You did not have to pay upfront, you just reserved a copy which gave them a number of people who were interested and then they could decide to press what they felt would work or cancel the project. The labels do not want to do this probably because if the rights are not negotiated yet, some other label could go after the title before they did, which I could see some of the labels here doing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

No, its not my responsibility to fund some private businesses endeavors. The risk and rewards should be on the business not the consumer. That's free Enterprise everyone loves to talk about. It comes with risks and there are no guarantees. It's almost blackmail. Help fund my personal product/business ventures or you will never get it. I think Kickstarter is an appalling new trend in corporate/ consumer relations.

I think I agree with this. If a business wants to produce a product they should surely be prepared to take the financial risk all they way down the line – they cannot expect the customer to help with finance and if I was a producer I would be embarrassed to make such a proposal because it hardly suggests that I have my business on a sound financial footing. If the project is not financially feasible then the label should either be prepared to take a loss or withdraw from it. However - even if I was up for helping with finance, I think just about every film score which I really like has already been released so I doubt whether there would be much left to interest me. Sorry!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

This does sound like a possible way to make projects viable that in the current financial climate would be prohibitive. We all would have different titles we would go the distance for but that is irrelevant. This may get titles considered uncommercial going. Really commercial titles simply don't need this stuff.

Uh, yes.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

We all have our dream releases, but this sounds like the anti-Field of Dreams.
Instead of "Build it and they will come", it's turns into "Come and then they might build it".
Not for me, thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

Hi Lukas, Its an interesting idea and one I've been waiting to see if a label would give it a try.

I've backed a bunch of projects so far, a couple of which have been basically pre-sales for CD's some of which have taken a year plus to come out. (Alister Brimble's Amiga Works, Chris Huelbeck's Turrican Anthology, and the recent Video Games Live Level 3. I would have backed Jeremy Soule's KS had I known about it)

I have no problems backing a project that takes a long time to get done, though I'd be slightly concerned about investing in something for it to completely fold and not get anything back for it. Something I've seen happen to a couple of KS, though none yet that I've backed (I have had a couple that have been pushed back horribly like Double Fine Adventure & Carmaggedon Reincarnation, though the DFA documentary has been incredibly interesting and made up for the delay)

How would you handle limits? Given most limited edition soundtracks are limited to a max of 10k for money reasons and IIRC you can't limit the KS completely (specific tiers yes). That said you probably aren't going to get that many pre-sales unless its complete Harry Potter, Star Wars, or Indy smile

The other thing is how do you handle awareness. Some Kickstarters, despite doing a lot of press, just don't get the sort of backing you'd expect for the effort they've put in & fan base they have, for instance the recent Video Games Live which struggled over the finishing line.

I tend to back digital only tiers except for a few specific KS, where they are sending CD's from UK/Europe but I wouldn't let postage dissuade me from backing a score project that I want.

Anyway, me I'd love to see a KS to release a Quantum Leap 3-4 CD set, I'd gladly plump in $75-100 to see that happen smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

See below, sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

"Come and then they might build it".

You are right and the key word there is "might".

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

See above, my computer just hiccuped.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I would participate in Kickstarters (or other crowd-funding sites) for score albums from labels which I trust, but most likely only up to the sales price of the physical album. Never been one for the perks.

I do somewhat share the worries of others that an underfunded Kickstarter might spell doom for the release of specific albums.

I also wonder how much of a hassle it will be for the labels if a release is pooh-poohed late in the process (there have been several such "soft-announced" releases mentioned on these boards, even with tentative release dates announced, which have been cancelled due to circumstances) - how difficult will it be to reimburse supporters after that financial hit, etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

There is one positive about kickstarter for the consumer and that would be the input of the people who fund it; mabey give feedback on artwork choices, album presentation, ... etc.

With as many people that have issues with artwork, album presentation, ...etc of releases on here, would the labels want to open that up to the consumer? I know if an album was not presented the way I would expect it and I helped fund it, I would see myself not funding future projects. If the labels can't take the chance on a release than leave it for some other label that can. If the labels do start using this system, I do not see myself participating until the CD is released and at that time I will decide. Someone mentioned supporting digital releases above...absolutely no support from me even after they are released.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

This does sound like a possible way to make projects viable that in the current financial climate would be prohibitive. We all would have different titles we would go the distance for but that is irrelevant. This may get titles considered uncommercial going. Really commercial titles simply don't need this stuff.

Uh, yes.


...and come to think of it I wonder how many of the current labels, that started with one single "iffy" project, might have benefitted with something like this?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Isn't the biggest hurdle for soundtrack labels NOT budget, but clearing the copyright of the actual music?

How is Kickstarter going to solve that?

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I think using kickstarter for film score projects is a great idea. There are many fans who would be happy to put up the same $20 ahead of time that they eventually would pay when the CD is ready, not to mention the additional fans who would happily pay more for their dream project, especially knowing it's release will lead to the label continuing to be able to do other projects, etc.

Let's try one!

Get a kickstarter going for Schifrin's Earth Star Voyager and I'll pledge $50 right now!

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I think it depends on the labels that are involved and the levels of respect they command, more than anything else.
For example, if Doug Fake or Haineshisway were asking for money up front for a specific future release, I might consider it.
But if the same proposal for advance funding came from, say, Ford A. Thaxton, there's no possibility at all that I'd be interested, of course, no matter what the title.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I think using kickstarter for film score projects is a great idea. There are many fans who would be happy to put up the same $20 ahead of time that they eventually would pay when the CD is ready, not to mention the additional fans who would happily pay more for their dream project, especially knowing it's release will lead to the label continuing to be able to do other projects, etc.
Let's try one!
Get a kickstarter going for Schifrin's Earth Star Voyager and I'll pledge $50 right now!


The trouble is, you're not talking about $20. Theoretically you're talking $500 a year - or more - if you buy a lot. Worse case scenario you might be shelling out $1000-$2000 a year for the following year's releases, none of which might happen, or might turn out to be disappointing when, say, only 3/4 of the score can be found.

Imagine trying to keep track of what you've spent on actual product, what you've invested in future product... it could out to be a personal financial nightmare!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

I think it depends on the label that's involved, more than anything else.

This I also agree with and I would hope that Intrada is fine financially especially with their connection with Disney.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

I would be down with this, yes.

It sounds similar to funding Public Television. I pledge to PBS, but I don’t have a say in what shows they produce or buy, I just think it’s a good idea to have PBS.

Same with the Soundtrack Labels, I would have no problem in helping to fund future projects.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

I'm open to Kickstarter funding for soundtrack releases. In general I'd be more willing to support Tribute/Tadlow re-recordings than original soundtrack releases from say Intrada & La-La Land because of the different nature of these projects and the kind of manpower that goes into them, but if the producers make a good case for the need to crowd-fund a particular original soundtrack, then I'd be down for that.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I would be down with this, yes.

It sounds similar to funding Public Television. I pledge to PBS, but I don’t have a say in what shows they produce or buy, I just think it’s a good idea to have PBS.

Same with the Soundtrack Labels, I would have no problem in helping to fund future projects.


PBS is not in the business of making a profit. We are talking about privately owned companies who's business is to make money. (nothing wrong with that of course) LLL commented, last year was the most profitable year they've ever had. They didn't beg the consumer base up front for money.

 
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