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 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

You also have of course the written score to follow as well to prove this point, don't you?


One doesn't need a score in front of them to judge a musical performance, just as one doesn't need to have read a script to judge an actor's performance.


So in other words, you can't answer my questions and you just pulling this out of your ass.

I just want to be clear about that.

More clueless fanboy rubbish.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

So in other words, you can't answer my questions and you just pulling this out of your ass.

I just want to be clear about that.

More clueless fanboy rubbish.

Ford A. Thaxton


 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

You also have of course the written score to follow as well to prove this point, don't you?


One doesn't need a score in front of them to judge a musical performance, just as one doesn't need to have read a script to judge an actor's performance.


So in other words, you can't answer my questions and you just pulling this out of your ass.

I just want to be clear about that.

More clueless fanboy rubbish.

Ford A. Thaxton


All the clueless fanboys are the ones who BUY your product, Ford.

The buyer has every right to give feedback on what he hears. You are not required to like what he says and he is not obligated to answer your questions. He also need not have the score or know what was said in the pre-recording meeting with the composer.

Holding a score in your hands and following delightedly along does not mean that it's the way the composer wanted it performed. that!!!

Holding a score in your hands and following delightedly along does not mean that it's the way the composer wanted it performed. Don't go spouting about people pulling stuff out of their asses when you do it and do it often. You have always been plaged with a tin ear and nothing you ever say about the quality of anything will EVER sway me to purchase anything. I just want to be clear about that!!!

Bottom line: Bad things happen to great scores during re-recordings ALL the time. It may sound wonderful to you, but those of use familiar with the film mixes find changes in tempi.

Jerry Goldsmith re-recorded "Patton" and it was decidedly a mixed bag. The culprit was the lack of rehearsing time. "Some of it" sounded really great and some of it should never have been released on CD.

MY OPINION. Since I bought my copy I have every right to provide consumer feedback.

Deal with it!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

All the clueless fanboys are the ones who BUY your product, Ford.
And what does that have anything to do wit this discussion?

ANSWER: NOTHING

This person mad a statement and couldn't back it up.
PERIOD.

The buyer has every right to give feedback on what he hears. You are not required to like what he says and he is not obligated to answer your questions. He also need not have the score or know what was said in the pre-recording meeting with the compsoer.

Rubbish, this fool is offering his opinion As a fact that would be accepted without question, when challenged to back it up, he folds.

That's the point.

I'm sure it will be lost on you.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

All the clueless fanboys are the ones who BUY your product, Ford.

The buyer has every right to give feedback on what he hears. You are not required to like what he says and he is not obligated to answer your questions. He also need not have the score or know what was said in the pre-recording meeting with the compsoer.

Holding a score in your hands and following delightedly along does not mean that it's the way the composer wanted it performed. Don't go spouting about people pulling stuff out of their asses when you do it and do it often. You have always been plaged with a tin ear and nothing you ever say about the quality of anything will EVER sway me to purchase anything. I just want to be clear about that!!!

Bottom line: Bad things happen to great scores during re-recordings ALL the time. It may sound wonderful to you, but those of use familiar with the film mixes find changes in tempi.

Jerry Goldsmith re-recorded "Patton" and it was horrible. Yes, HORRIBLE. The culprit was the lack of rehearsing time. "Some of it" sounded really great and some of it should never have been released on CD.

MY OPINION. Since I bought my copy I have every right to provide consumer feedback.

Deal with it!


FAT will not like to read that...

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Again:

Ford Thaxton continues to prove he is the largest untapped pocket of natural gas known to man.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Hey, FAT, please explain to YOR why the lyrics of the choral parts on Raine's re-recording of "Conan, the Barbarian" ended up sounding so different from the original.

YOR knows that there was no sheet for the lyrics and everything was done by ears, but nevertheless it makes no sense.

Thanks in advance.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Again:

Ford Thaxton continues to prove he is the largest untapped pocket of natural gas known to man.


No you just proved that you just can't grasp the point I was making.

I'm not surprised.

Another fine example of fanboy logic at it's finest.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Maybe YOR is on FAT ignore list...

So sad.

YOR loves the days when FAT get mad at him!

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)


The one choice that I really really hate in both the Intrada and the Prometheus was the decision to present "Tree of Woe" and "Recovery" in a single cue, since I don't much care for the former and the latter is one of my favorite cues on the score.


I complain about things just like that all the time. I don't get why these choices happen (when they are not the direct wishes of the composer).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


The one choice that I really really hate in both the Intrada and the Prometheus was the decision to present "Tree of Woe" and "Recovery" in a single cue, since I don't much care for the former and the latter is one of my favorite cues on the score.


I complain about things just like that all the time. I don't get why these choices happen (when they are not the direct wishes of the composer).


Perhaps it's the way the composer wanted the cues to be presented in this case?

Just a thought.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Did Basil use pots and pans?

I hear his mixing bowl is still on display in Rome.


Mounted right next to Jerry's? wink

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

I like both, but prefer the original recording as well, flawed as it may be (original recordings win out 9 times out of 10 for me). Thusly, the Intrada version is the best edition in my book.

I've never really thought about the legitimacy of the marketing claim that the CONAN rerecording is "the score as Basil Poledouris intended." The main reason is because I don't think the claim really matters at all to people who would want to buy it. If you love the Conan music, and you listen to a sample of Nic Raine's recording of it, and think it sounds awesome, why wouldn't you go for it regardless of Poledouris's intentions? Their statement might strain credulity a little, but how many of you reading this decided to skip the release altogether because of it? And has anyone here read the arguments above in this thread, then gone over to your CD shelf, grabbed the Prometheus recording, and smashed it into a thousand pieces all because of some text that appears in the booklet?

The McNeely recordings of various Herrmann scores sometimes took big liberties with the source material (particularly with tempo), to say nothing of the fact that what was once performed in a very dry mic'd scoring stage has been moved to a significantly more reverberant sounding concert hall. So what? If you love that music, and want a very clear recording of it performed by a top-notch orchestra, I think you'll overlook such things. At least I do. But maybe I just don't get worked up about these things anymore.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)


The one choice that I really really hate in both the Intrada and the Prometheus was the decision to present "Tree of Woe" and "Recovery" in a single cue, since I don't much care for the former and the latter is one of my favorite cues on the score.


I complain about things just like that all the time. I don't get why these choices happen (when they are not the direct wishes of the composer).


Perhaps it's the way the composer wanted the cues to be presented in this case?

Just a thought.


Ford A. Thaxton


Yeah, I remember reading that before about Conan, which is the reason for the parenthetical.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I like both, but prefer the original recording as well, flawed as it may be (original recordings win out 9 times out of 10 for me). Thusly, the Intrada version is the best edition in my book.

I've never really thought about the legitimacy of the marketing claim that the CONAN rerecording is "the score as Basil Poledouris intended."


It's true, because they used his own score written in his own hand.

That's about as close as you get.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

Well, true or not... so what? It's a powerful recording of a great score. Whether or not Poledouris would have approved of it doesn't really have any bearing on my decision to buy it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Well, true or not... so what?
Because it's the truth, that why it matters.

Fanboys seem have an issue with the truth.


It's a powerful recording of a great score. Whether or not Poledouris would have approved of it doesn't really have any bearing on my decision to buy it.

Your money, your choice.

That we do agree on.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Well, true or not... so what?
Because it's the truth, that why it matters.

Fanboys seem have an issue with the truth.

Ford A. Thaxton


Do not mess with gorila man!

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be argumentative with Ford at all... I don't think I'm even disagreeing with him all that much on this one.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2013 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   General Kael   (Member)

I think all of the evidence clearly says that the re-recording is the closest to what Basil penned when he wrote the score. He did discuss the project with Fitzpatrick and Thaxton and gave them the original score the way he penned it. Say what you want about Ford, but he's the only one with first-hand knowledge on the situation and that makes him a valuable resource. And even if for some reason it's not exactly the way Basil would have re-recorded it in person, or recorded it in the first place given enough resources, it's clear that it's the closest we are ever going to get.

With that said, it's still A-OK to prefer the original recordings because you're either used to it, simply like it more, or for the very important fact that the original recordings are what form the actual soundtrack to the movie.

The Re-recording is closer to what Basil intended with better sound quality, but the original recording is the actual soundtrack. Both are masterpieces. And I maintain that you need every possible iteration of this score.

 
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