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 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I particularly like the CD artwork. I quite liked the Varese artwork too, which also did without actual cartoon characters. I like covers like Intrada's that evoke the mood of the music (in this case mystery, sorcery and dark goings on) rather than use poster images that were aimed simply at attracting kiddies and their mums into the theater.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

But, their choice in art work for the CD is terrible!!
With Intrada working directly with Disney, why were they not able to use the above poster art work?


I think Intrada has to defer to Disney when it comes to artwork (as well as everything else) otherwise I think Intrada would have chosen something a little more exciting.


That's probably why they left off the alternates - they wanted to keep it relatively commercial (the average Disney fan doesn't care about alternates).

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

I particularly like the CD artwork. I quite liked the Varese artwork too, which also did without actual cartoon characters.

I agree! Both are great layouts.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

This seems like a great release, especially I only ever heard the one track on the Varese Bernstein compilation from about 10 years ago. I never picked up the re-recording, but am a huge fan of all his scores in the sci-fi & fantasy genre. A 75 minute album is plenty for me as a listening experience, I'm not really interested in 10 minutes of alternates and "dribs & drabs". My collection is not meant to be a studio archive.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   1980's Soundtrack Whore   (Member)

I particularly like the CD artwork. I quite liked the Varese artwork too, which also did without actual cartoon characters.

Yeah, it's not bad at all. Of course, I always prefer the original poster art but this one will suffice.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   Nicholas Vargo   (Member)

Is this a limited release or is this another MAF release like Predator was?

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Oh, boy, yes, here's DF in his own words-

I can say with all honesty it's one of our best ever. We were all hoping a soundtrack would come out nearly 30 years ago when the movie opened. It didn't happen. We just got a mere taste test. Now savor the entire enchilada! What a sensational score, too. Color, excitement, adventure, power... it's all here! And it can be yours in a few days. Artwork and sound samples go up Monday evening, orders begin shipping on Tuesday. I love this one. I hope you will, too.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Time to retire that Varese album.



I am not retiring the Varese album, it is too good not to have both! But, their choice in art work for the CD is terrible!!
With Intrada working directly with Disney, why were they not able to use the above poster art work?




That kind of poster artwork is best suited to point-of-sale material hanging from the ceiling of McDonalds, for some film-related "free toy with every Happy Meal" promotion.
That's the kind of thing it was designed for, along with coloring books for toddlers, complete with non-toxic crayons.
I'm pleased the new CD presents an image that suggests the power of Bernstein's music, rather than the power of Disney's merchandising department.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

I would've preferred the original poster art or even an adaptation of the cover art that Varese used, but I've been hoping for this release for a long time and beggars can't be choosers (nor, in these situations, can buyers), so all I can say is THANK YOU, Intrada and Disney! This is a dream come true. Can't wait to give it a spin.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yes, but it only has a playtime of 86 minutes and includes a few alternates.

So there are “only” 10 min. of missing music? Well, I’m not so happy. And I would like to know why…


I have not heard the bootleg, so I can't comment on this album specifically. But let's define what an "alternate" is. In many cases, a cue is recorded and the composer does not like what he hears. So he changes it, either on the fly or for the next session. The disapproved take is not an "alternate," it's a rejected cue that the composer tossed away for a reason.

Now, most boots are created when somebody gets access to the session tapes and creates a CD from that. They generally do not have the session logs or cue sheets that explain what each take, partial take, and insert are. So they label the rejected cue an "alternate" and leave it at that. (The same can happen for takes that are simply performed incorrectly.) In addition, many boots have been known to repeat music (sometimes from various slightly different takes or inserts) and identify them as different cues.

The result of this is that fans get indignant when a legitimate label releases a score correctly. Remember the uproar when Intrada's wonderful "City of Fear" was shorter than the boot? Of course, the boot repeated many cues, and didn't include some of the music on the complete Intrada release.

A bootleg is not a reliable reference source!

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

I'm curious... The Varese re-recording with the Utah Symphony Orchestra was released contemporaneously with the film; why would they have gone to the trouble of recording a whole new album at that time, rather than use the already-existing elements (as they did for The Great Mouse Detective?)

When pre-release discussion was leaning in this direction, I queued up my Varese edition and gave it a whirl. I had actually convinced myself that the re-recording was enough, and I wasn't planning to pick this one up. But after hearing the samples over at Intrada, I find that I've had a change of heart! Although I think the Varese is a fine recording, the sound quality, the orchestra, the passion in the performance of the Intrada edition is so far above the re-recording that it's a completely different beast.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2012 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Frank V   (Member)

I'm curious... The Varese re-recording with the Utah Symphony Orchestra was released contemporaneously with the film; why would they have gone to the trouble of recording a whole new album at that time, rather than use the already-existing elements (as they did for The Great Mouse Detective?)

Maybe it was too expensive to release the original recording? Or maybe Disney didn't allow it to be released, but agreed that Bernstein could re-record some of the music for an album? I don't know. It wasn't the first time that music was re-recorded and used as the original soundtrack album.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 12:10 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)



You can have it for even less than that -

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/black-cauldron-original-motion/id117983064


Unless you inhabit the majority of the world which isn't the US in which case.... you can't.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   RED SHIRT BASIL (or looks like...)   (Member)

Is this a non limited release?

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Is this a non limited release?

Intrada doesn't do limited editions anymore, so yes.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   RED SHIRT BASIL (or looks like...)   (Member)

Is this a non limited release?

Intrada doesn't do limited editions anymore, so yes.


Thank you smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

That cover is goyjus!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

I like the new cover…
After all, that big pot is the star of the show!

I find it interesting that above the title,
It just says DISNEY…
Not Walt Disney's nor Walt Disney Presents…
Just DISNEY…
Kinda implies that even though it's a classic treasure from the Disney vault,
because it bombed at the box office, they still aren't too proud of it.
Like its a “black sheep” in their animation canon…

Ordered it immediately, of course… before the ST:FC news hit the boards.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   avalanche   (Member)

I like the new cover…
After all, that big pot is the star of the show!

I find it interesting that above the title,
It just says DISNEY…
Not Walt Disney's nor Walt Disney Presents…
Just DISNEY…
Kinda implies that even though it's a classic treasure from the Disney vault,
because it bombed at the box office, they still aren't too proud of it.
Like its a “black sheep” in their animation canon…

Ordered it immediately, of course… before the ST:FC news hit the boards.


That's how Disney markets now, using just the one word. It's not a case of embarrassment.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2012 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

That's how Disney markets now, using just the one word.
It's not a case of embarrassment.


Figured as much…
I prefer the older logo "Walt Disney's"…
A classier logo in comparison to simply Disney.
But that's just a marketing decision, anyway. wink

 
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