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 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   BJN   (Member)

Case closed.

It's a pity. The clips convinced me to buy. Alas, too late.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   nekromantik   (Member)

The samples are so damn good! I have MASTER on LP and love it! GOLIATH is also incredible!

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

A post over at the Classic Horror Film Board mentions that Baxter's recordings are mostly in poor shape (at MGM) and that tapes of the musc from films like X may only have a few usable moments. Let's hope he's wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Lester Sullivan   (Member)

Others may laugh. For lack of Internet access away from work, for the first time I've missed a CD limited edition that I had intended to get. Hope Mr. Lipscomb snagged it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Now sold out at Intrada. Unbelievable.

Why? How many do you think they had to sell after the dealers orders came in? I know the answer, and it's not really hard to sell out in hours.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   estgrey   (Member)

It's strange. I am not sure that I have any real interest in this release . . . but now that it is unavailable, I have a curious sense of yearning for it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

MOTW is a dandy little score. I'm not surprised it's gone, and I'd venture a guess it would have sold out with a couple of hundred more copies.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

This was my ultimate personal grail -- because it was the first lp I ever purchased on my own as a kid. From a Woolworth's store in Nebraska. I still own the lp -- but to have it reborn in this fashion, with original tracks added, along with "Goliath" is just an amazing, fabulous, treat.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Tom Scofield would have loved it!

Oh, yes!
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=1613&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Now sold out at Intrada. Unbelievable.

So much for the opinion regularly expressed by a few regulars around here that there is no interest in Les Baxter.

Maybe - assuming the tapes exist - we'll finally get the Poe scores or X.


As Charles Thaxton said, MGM's inventory of AIP tapes is very spotty, and while working on this release it was discovered that a number were either poor quality, incomplete or mislabeled. So don't get your hopes up.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Right Steven, I agree that more copies could have sold. In fact, I feel that an insufficient number of copies have been pressed of several recent soundtrack releases. I didn't jump on GOLIATH, but perhaps a month from now, I'd wake up in a cold sweat one morning and decide that I should purchase it. I'm truly sorry that copies of many of these recent soundtrack releases won't be around when the stock market eventually improves to the point that some people will feel more able to purchase "non-essential" merchandise. Yes, I know that my term "non-essential" could be debated, but some people have lost their salaries entirely or by half, and are not currently able to purchase every desirable title just because "it will sell out in a day or two." For those folks, I guess that eBay profiteers will offer the "best" chance to find these titles in the future.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Now sold out at Intrada. Unbelievable.

Why? How many do you think they had to sell after the dealers orders came in? I know the answer, and it's not really hard to sell out in hours.


Screen Archives no longer has it listed on their site.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I was surprised this was a Signature edition rather than part of the Special Collection. I cannot wait to hear it again.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

"And who said Les Baxter doesn't sell?"

I think this sold out not because of Baxter but because they were two of his more accessible scores that people already knew about from the LP releases. Add to that the limited-edition of 1,000, and it's no surprise it sold out so fast. But had Intrada pressed 1,500, it's possible they wouldn't have even sold 1,000, as I think that many of the purchases were so people could have something rather than to miss out on something that other people have.

They are both great scores and I applaud Intrada on releasing them, but moving 1,000 copies doesn't mean that a composer will "sell." As proved by many 1,000-unit releases of awful scores by less-than-stellar composers, pretty much anything can sell that small number of copies.

Our label's THE BLOB had no trouble selling 1,000 copies, but I wouldn't in my wildest imagination state that "Ralph Carmichael sells." It was THE BLOB that sold the release, and if I put out another Carmichael score, it might only sell 150 copies. Likewise, there are many Baxter scores that people probably haven't heard of, wouldn't like if they did, and consequently wouldn't buy. These were two of the jewels in the Baxter Crown, and coupled with the feeding frenzy for ANYTHING limited to 1,000 copies, that's why it sold out so fast. THE BLOB took a few months to sell its first 1,000 copies. Had we done it as a limited-edition, it probably would have sold out in a matter of days or weeks.

If you like great sci-fi music from Intrada, pick up THE LOST WORLD/FIVE WEEKS IN A BALLOON. It's just as enjoyable as the new Baxter release. Had Intrada listed it at 1,000 copies, it might very well have sold out right away. Obviously, that extra 200 makes a big difference, which is why some releases by soundtrack labels go for the "larger" amount in their pressing, whereas in the overall scheme of things they're pretty insignificant-sized pressings.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   henryneill   (Member)

Well in Europe Baxter is pretty big. His Poe scores are among the most requested scores from this period over here. I'm realy surprised Intrada made only 1,000 of this release. Even in Europe alone 2,000 copys would have been sold within a few weeks.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   henryneill   (Member)

If you like great sci-fi music from Intrada, pick up THE LOST WORLD/FIVE WEEKS IN A BALLOON. It's just as enjoyable as the new Baxter release. Had Intrada listed it at 1,000 copies, it might very well have sold out right away. Obviously, that extra 200 makes a big difference...

I doubt this. Based on the films, these two are much more famous then MASTER OF THE WORLD/GOLIATH..., but Paul Sawtell and Bert Shefter (as much as I like them) are simply no Les Baxter! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

"pretty big" is a relative term. There are many Goldsmith and Williams scores that don't sell out. And I think they are much bigger compared to Baxter.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   henryneill   (Member)

"pretty big" is a relative term. There are many Goldsmith and Williams scores that don't sell out. And I think they are much bigger compared to Baxter.

Absolutely true, but when I'm talking to collectors they think twice, if they really need the 50th Goldsmith or Williams soundtrack on CD (surely it depends on the title), while Baxter's soundtrack work is pretty underreprestented so far.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

I can probably speak for most soundtrack labels when I state that there is often a big difference between what soundtrack fans say they want to see released and what they actually buy. Just clamoring for a given release or work by a composer does not mean that release will sell in a relatively greater amount than a release that has not been clamored for. Having been in the business for a long time, I think I know what I'm talking about. You only know how something will sell after it's actually been released and you count the sales. Fans like to say they KNOW what will sell and what won't, but the truth is that they really don't know, because even the labels don't always know. There have been many "sure things" that sure didn't sell like they were supposed to. As well as many releases where nobody could understand why they were being issued, but they ended up being quite profitable.

Fans can always justify why something sold as well or as poorly as it did after the fact (it's Goldsmith, so it sold out; it's Goldsmith, so it didn't sell out because he's already well-represented; the film sold it, not the composer; the composer sold it, not the film; they pressed too many; they pressed too few). What they can't do is predict how it would sell BEFORE it was released.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

From MMM: What they can't do is predict how it would sell BEFORE it was released.

Well Carnac the Magnificent probably could have! smile

You're so right. I saw some Varese Club titles a while back that I couldn't see why anyone would be interested in. I mean they were by lesser revered composers and some that are considered hacks by many. Guess what, they sold out in less than a few hours. One guess is that maybe because they were of such a limited quantity, 1000 or less for instance, that people jumped on them to make sure they got something possibly collectible. [Crap, sorry MMM, you said pretty much the same thing in another comment above the one I read by you. I need to read these things in proper order a bit better!] I could very well be wrong about that though. There may have been a market for those particular titles based on the films they came from, the individual quality of the particular score, or for some other not too obvious to me reason. In any case, at least I wasn't upset I didn't get a copy in time and I hope that those who wanted them hopefully did.

By the way, can't say enough about Monstrous Movie Music's recordings. I think I need to write a blog about them and what they've done at some point!

 
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