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Great idea.
"Moonraker" is such a great and beloved score. I think an expanded release would be for Bond fans what "The Wrath of Khan" was for Trek fans.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 1:46 AM
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musicwizard
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I don't think Universal make big bucks out of reissuing Bill Evans, Chet Baker or Stan Getz? They must make some money, though, or they wouldn't do it. I'd bet there's more money to be made in reissuing Moonraker with extra tracks than there is in reissuing the Bill Evans album I discussed with Bruce on here a few days ago.
Ellington you’re right the market for jazz isn’t as big as the pop market, but still much bigger than the soundtrack market. Bill Evans, Chet Baker and Stan Getz are music history. There will always be a market for these guys just like Bach, Beethoven, The Beatles or Elvis.
Secondly it’s probably very easy (= cheap) to produce a reissue of these old albums.
EMI was never terribly interested in doing the expanded Bond scores in the first place. With CD sales in free fall, they'd be even less interested today than they were 6 years ago; there's just not enough money in it to make it worth their while. However, they probably aren't interested in licensing them out to anyone else--why let someone else make money off them? Plus, any label wanting to sublicense the scores would also have to make deals with Danjaq and/or MGM.
After 6 years it’s indeed still very easy to find those 2003 bond reissues. I don’t know the numbers or the facts but it looks like they don’t sell that much better than any regular soundtrack, how odd this may seem. It’s not exactly we have to pay $250 for a copy of Moonraker on e-bay is it?
I suppose our best hope might be to wait for the 50th Anniversary in a couple years, and see if that spurs anyone into action.
Indeed, maybe in 2012 when James turns 50 we’ll see a big merchandise campaign including a new release of all soundtracks. I mean we finally got the complete Star Wars albums after Lucas released his special editions of the films. The expanded Star Trek the motion picture was released as a 20th anniversary present. The Indy-box may not have occured if it wasn’t for doctor Jones’ return to the big screen.
We may find these bond soundtracks a real treasure but for Sony it’s only a product that has to make some decent money. If it doesn’t than they won’t release it.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 4:19 AM
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musicwizard
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Musicwizard, you may well be right about the relevant size of the markets given the way they discount some of the jazz stuff in places like HMV and on Amazon. But, as a very unscientific sample - the CD of Moonraker at amazon.co.uk is about #49,000 or so in the sales list, whereas the Bill Evans CD I bought last week is at #217,000 or so. Mind you, both are just the album tracks without any additional work. I suppose the real thing is whether adding the additional album tracks would generate a corresponding increase in sales the next time the thing is reissued.
Ok, so “Moonraker” is more popular than Bill Evans (which is a nice suprise actually :-) but that doesn’t say they’re making a lot more money (eventually) with Moonraker than with the Bill Evans stuff. Like I said I don’t have the numbers or the facts but I guess an expanded Moonraker would be to expensive to produce (mastering, rights, etc.) and therefore you’ll have to sell a lot of Cd’s to make a good profit. Let’s face it although titles like “The Mechanic” or “Baby – Secret of the Lost Legend” are already sold out in just a day, a release of 2000 units won’t make them very rich. For Sony not very interesting.
I don’t know if they remastered the Bill Evans Cd otherwise is just a question of transfering it to Cd. A lot cheaper so you don’t have to sell an awful lot to start making profit.
Maybe Lukas Kendall can give us more info how much an expanded Bond soundtrack costs and how much units you would have to sell to break even.
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Lukas already addressed why certain scores weren't expanded: there was a deadline to meet, so they concentrated on the scores that they could expand that would have been the most popular, specifically those from around the Connery era, when "Bondmania" was at its height and the scores themselves were most iconic.
For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights had already been expanded for their RykoDisc editions.
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Moonraker was recording in Studio Davout (Paris) http://www.davout.com/history/index.html why did you send a mail about this score to this studio ???
That is where they are at. The Tapes are in France, Lukas go over there and take control, the French will do nothing but roll over and let you take them, as history has shown!!! lol.
What a brilliant idea! It's going to take force to get this music... whoever would have thought of using force against France?
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Not force. Stealth. Q branch has some ideas.
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I'm hugely into Bond music, but to the classic, Barry-era fan like myself, only 14 Bond scores really matter: FROM RUSSIA through LIVING DAYLIGHTS. Eight of them were expanded (if you count GOLDFINGER), and FROM RUSSIA already had the good stuff on it all along.
The remaining five would be nice, but they had excellent LP programs. Bond music fans have been well served, especially given the large size of the oeuvre versus the niche size of the film music market.
Even having said all that, I want more. But I don't need more. Okay, I need more but I won't die, is what I'm trying to say.
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Even having said all that, I want more. But I don't need more. Okay, I need more but I won't die, is what I'm trying to say.
But we are going to GET more, because the only way to GET more is to whip somebody's burning ass until they squeal like a hoggy. 
I only bring this up to illustrate a fine, persuasive business techique.
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Another holy grail for many, FSM. Bring it on, please!
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