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Damn it, I had hoped the 3-disc set was going to be Thin Red Line.
I'm happy for those hyped for this but I don't see the point of another Die Hard release unless La La have something special here that hasn't been revealed yet.
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I heard this one comes from Kamen's own master tapes...
... Previous ones didnt?
That would be a very odd omission. Unless Kamen was very secretive about where he stored his stuff, why wouldn't Kamen's own master tapes be the first place to look?
Because that's not what happened. Virtually everything on this was provided to us by Fox. One reel was provided late to us which was discovered by the Kamen estate and shared with us. It had two cues which were on the previous release and one short alternate. Everything else came from Fox.
Neil
So where did the old masters come from?
I don't know what was used for the Varese (I didn't work on it) but there was a stereo 1/4" tape with the same material on it. The previous LLL release used a stereo DAT, which again matched the contents of the 1/4" tape, supplemented with material from a mono music stem.
None of those sources were used for this new release.
Neil
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Damn it, I had hoped the 3-disc set was going to be Thin Red Line.
I'm happy for those hyped for this but I don't see the point of another Die Hard release unless La La have something special here that hasn't been revealed yet.
Next month is TRL.
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We wouldn't be releasing this for a 3rd time if we didn't feel there was a good reason for it. Initially, this started out as a vinyl only release, but the more work we did on this the better looking a brand spanking new cd release looked. Nick, Mike and Neil worked very closely with the Kamen estate and the end result is gonna make Die Hard fans flip out.
This release is so damn cool we almost made it a a Black Friday release, but opted to get it out earlier to coincide with those 30th anniversary screenings happening.
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That and I remember reading a poor review on filmtracks some years ago that gave me additional second thoughts.
Filmtracks should never be relied upon for anything but casual reading and sometimes a laugh. There are numerous screwball reviews and some clearly demonstrate that Clemenson has a serious axe to grind.
Please point out these "screwball reviews". Mr Clemenson reviews contain information on how the albums are mixed and also the best presentation of a score. Frankly, he's one of the best reviewers out there.
As I recall, Alien 3 gets a throttling due to its unconventional nature, as does Barman Forever, one of the chief complaints being Goldenthal's use of French horns. (Maybe he just doesn't like Goldenthal?) His review of The Last Jedi is heavily influenced by his dislike of the film. (One need only read his "buy it/skip it" section for the release for that to become abundantly clear.)
In any case, maybe you just don't like my screwball review of his screwball reviews?
If he did not like Goldenthal, why the 5 star rating for Frida and the four star rating for Final Fantasy, Michael Collins, Cobb and Heat? He's also lamented the loss of Goldenthal from film scoring in a review of a Zimmer/RC score. Again, if he didn't like Goldenthal why say that? The only axe he has to grind is on the current state of film scoring, where the RC sound dominates and composers such as Young are been sidelined in favour of the Junk etc. That's an axe that most film score fans grind.
In terms of the Last Jedi review, he's trying to point out that despite everything that wen wrong with the film, the score was one of the best elements of it: "Without his (Williams) familiar musical voice, The Last Jedi would be an even more frustratingly nonsensical experience than its script and pacing could alone inflict upon audiences". I would never judge his reviews solely on the "buy it/skip it" element of the review.
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Initially, this started out as a vinyl only release,
>.<
O.O
Vinyl... only? This was the initial plan when you discovered these new sources. Man, and I thought everyone got extremely lucky just finding new sources. Man, I do not want to know what my reaction would have been like if you had done that. Discovering better sounding sources with new material never heard before, and it's in a format I do not listen to?
We are so lucky.
When we pitched it the thinking was, "This just came out on CD again, but has never been on vinyl. Let's do something big for the 30th anniversary".
Neil
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A one-LP version of Die Hard would be super cool. A 3LP set.....a little much....
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A one-LP version of Die Hard would be super cool. A 3LP set.....a little much....
Especially if it contains crossfades
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Nov 2, 2018 - 2:19 PM
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Thgil
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That and I remember reading a poor review on filmtracks some years ago that gave me additional second thoughts.
Filmtracks should never be relied upon for anything but casual reading and sometimes a laugh. There are numerous screwball reviews and some clearly demonstrate that Clemenson has a serious axe to grind.
Please point out these "screwball reviews". Mr Clemenson reviews contain information on how the albums are mixed and also the best presentation of a score. Frankly, he's one of the best reviewers out there.
As I recall, Alien 3 gets a throttling due to its unconventional nature, as does Barman Forever, one of the chief complaints being Goldenthal's use of French horns. (Maybe he just doesn't like Goldenthal?) His review of The Last Jedi is heavily influenced by his dislike of the film. (One need only read his "buy it/skip it" section for the release for that to become abundantly clear.)
In any case, maybe you just don't like my screwball review of his screwball reviews?
If he did not like Goldenthal, why the 5 star rating for Frida and the four star rating for Final Fantasy, Michael Collins, Cobb and Heat? He's also lamented the loss of Goldenthal from film scoring in a review of a Zimmer/RC score. Again, if he didn't like Goldenthal why say that? The only axe he has to grind is on the current state of film scoring, where the RC sound dominates and composers such as Young are been sidelined in favour of the Junk etc. That's an axe that most film score fans grind.
In terms of the Last Jedi review, he's trying to point out that despite everything that wen wrong with the film, the score was one of the best elements of it: "Without his (Williams) familiar musical voice, The Last Jedi would be an even more frustratingly nonsensical experience than its script and pacing could alone inflict upon audiences". I would never judge his reviews solely on the "buy it/skip it" element of the review.
His repeated whining about Goldenthal's use of French horns sounds like he's quite irritated by a hallmark of the composer. Besides that, did I say he definitively dislikes his music? Nope. Speculation. That's why I used a question mark.
That line you provided in defense of his Last Jedi review is another that is more about the movie than anything. Backhanded Compliments 101.
In any case, this is getting us nowhere. We're not talking about something that has facts to back it up. You're trying to justify your opinion in a grandstanding attempt to prove my opinion wrong when I really don't give a shit. You like him and I don't. Good for us. Let's move on with our lives. The wannabe debate club this place devolves into is endlessly tiresome.
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Nov 2, 2018 - 2:33 PM
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davefg
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That and I remember reading a poor review on filmtracks some years ago that gave me additional second thoughts.
Filmtracks should never be relied upon for anything but casual reading and sometimes a laugh. There are numerous screwball reviews and some clearly demonstrate that Clemenson has a serious axe to grind.
Please point out these "screwball reviews". Mr Clemenson reviews contain information on how the albums are mixed and also the best presentation of a score. Frankly, he's one of the best reviewers out there.
As I recall, Alien 3 gets a throttling due to its unconventional nature, as does Barman Forever, one of the chief complaints being Goldenthal's use of French horns. (Maybe he just doesn't like Goldenthal?) His review of The Last Jedi is heavily influenced by his dislike of the film. (One need only read his "buy it/skip it" section for the release for that to become abundantly clear.)
In any case, maybe you just don't like my screwball review of his screwball reviews?
If he did not like Goldenthal, why the 5 star rating for Frida and the four star rating for Final Fantasy, Michael Collins, Cobb and Heat? He's also lamented the loss of Goldenthal from film scoring in a review of a Zimmer/RC score. Again, if he didn't like Goldenthal why say that? The only axe he has to grind is on the current state of film scoring, where the RC sound dominates and composers such as Young are been sidelined in favour of the Junk etc. That's an axe that most film score fans grind.
In terms of the Last Jedi review, he's trying to point out that despite everything that wen wrong with the film, the score was one of the best elements of it: "Without his (Williams) familiar musical voice, The Last Jedi would be an even more frustratingly nonsensical experience than its script and pacing could alone inflict upon audiences". I would never judge his reviews solely on the "buy it/skip it" element of the review.
His repeated whining about Goldenthal's use of French horns sounds like he's quite irritated by a hallmark of the composer. Besides that, did I say he definitively dislikes his music? Nope. Speculation. That's why I used a question mark.
That line you provided in defense of his Last Jedi review is another that is more about the movie than anything. Backhanded Compliments 101.
In any case, this is getting us nowhere. We're not talking about something that has facts to back it up. You're trying to justify your opinion in a grandstanding attempt to prove my opinion wrong when I really don't give a shit. You like him and I don't. Good for us. Let's move on with our lives. The wannabe debate club this place devolves into is endlessly tiresome.
OK, well I'm not justifying my opinion in a "grandstanding attempt to prove (your) opinion wrong". I'm simply making an argument based on the interpretation of the evidence that is at hand. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I bet PERRY MASON is Dave's favorite show!
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