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 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   AMRA75   (Member)

"plus many of the 1977 album tracks"... why not all? ... that means I have to keep the varese edition? IMO, the original album is a masterpiece and deserves a great remasterisation. Anyway, I will order it Tuesday...

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Technically the "When You Wish Upon a Star" version is the original. It was quickly (and rather poorly IMO as both the film and soundtrack album can attest to) replaced by that suite when it tested badly in Dallas.


That very well could be. And I do recall something about the changes to the end titles. Personally I don't like the end titles of the Special Edition with the "When You Wish Upon A Star" references. I've always enjoyed the original 'edition' version as it was when I first viewed the film so many years ago and now appears on the Blu Ray.


Agreed. Musically speaking it makes for a sweeping grand final. The special edition version drags and isn't as fluid.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If we’re voting, I prefer what we’re calling the Special Edition end title (which, yes, was also the original intended end title). The sloppy cut to the action motif in the other version is abrupt and breaks the spell of the emotional ending of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Well, let me ax you a question....
Was the "special edition" music with WYWUAS recorded with the Boston Pops, or was it what they'd already recorded for the ORIGINAL release?

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I seem to remember Spielberg wanted to fully quote "When You Wish Upon a Star" but couldn't get the license. Thus it's sorta kinda referenced in the score without infringing on copyrights. So I'm a bit surprised the "Special Edition" end credits were recorded first. Or the story I remember is erroneous.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   spanosdm   (Member)

If I count correclty, this is the 7th Williams/Spielberg project you release. Most impressive. And in every occasion you have done it with lots of love and care. No wonder these guys trust you!

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2017 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I seem to remember Spielberg wanted to fully quote "When You Wish Upon a Star" but couldn't get the license. Thus it's sorta kinda referenced in the score without infringing on copyrights. So I'm a bit surprised the "Special Edition" end credits were recorded first. Or the story I remember is erroneous.

From everything I’ve ever read, it’s erroneous. The references that do exist in the original version of the score would still run afoul of Disney if unlicensed, and if Spielberg had tried to license it he couldn’t even claim it was accidental.

That said, I’ve also read that an early test print had the vocal version of the song directly from “Pinocchio,” and not the Williams instrumental.

I’m sure the liner notes will clear all this up.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

so all disc 1 is already released music (except few seconds on track 1) and we're paying 30$ + shipping for alternates?

Only if you buy it. It's not compulsory as you know. :-)

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Well, let me ax you a question....
Was the "special edition" music with WYWUAS recorded with the Boston Pops, or was it what they'd already recorded for the ORIGINAL release?


The latter. The suite was spliced together from other cues in the editing room and dubbed to an inferior tape. Hence why it sounds awful on the old Arista LP and even worse in the film.

Allegedly it's the mothership interior music that's with the Pops. We'll find out in a couple weeks.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Simon Gomersall   (Member)

"plus many of the 1977 album tracks"... why not all? ... that means I have to keep the varese edition? IMO, the original album is a masterpiece and deserves a great remasterisation. Anyway, I will order it Tuesday...

Audio Fidelity did a remastered (by Steve Hoffman) hybrid SACD a few years back, I picked up a copy on Amazon last year. Limited edition, but there may still be some copies floating around - plus, it includes the disco track!

I hope the LLL is still going to be around in the new year, there's no way I can afford it this side of Christmas!

Cheers

SG

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

LLL, thank you for this release and especially releasing in the protection that is needed to preserve such a great score!

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I seem to remember Spielberg wanted to fully quote "When You Wish Upon a Star" but couldn't get the license. Thus it's sorta kinda referenced in the score without infringing on copyrights. So I'm a bit surprised the "Special Edition" end credits were recorded first. Or the story I remember is erroneous.

From everything I’ve ever read, it’s erroneous. The references that do exist in the original version of the score would still run afoul of Disney if unlicensed, and if Spielberg had tried to license it he couldn’t even claim it was accidental.

That said, I’ve also read that an early test print had the vocal version of the song directly from “Pinocchio,” and not the Williams instrumental.

I’m sure the liner notes will clear all this up.


I don't remember a Disney copyright notice on the original OST for "When You Wish Upon a Star" if it was indeed licensed.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Audio Fidelity did a remastered (by Steve Hoffman) hybrid SACD a few years back, I picked up a copy on Amazon last year. Limited edition, but there may still be some copies floating around - plus, it includes the disco track!


Can someone provide a link? I would like to grab this version as well!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   lairdo   (Member)


Audio Fidelity did a remastered (by Steve Hoffman) hybrid SACD a few years back, I picked up a copy on Amazon last year. Limited edition, but there may still be some copies floating around - plus, it includes the disco track!

Can someone provide a link? I would like to grab this version as well!



I have that SACD. Just listened to it again a few weeks ago before recording another JW podcast (which I hope will release next week). That disc is out of print and a quick eBay search finds it over $50. I recommend the disc but not at that price, particularly if you don't have a SACD player. (And even the SACD tracks are just in stereo.)

Thanks LLL. Amazing work, and as co-host of BondCast, so happy to also see Die Another Day expanded too!

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Audio Fidelity did a remastered (by Steve Hoffman) hybrid SACD a few years back, I picked up a copy on Amazon last year. Limited edition, but there may still be some copies floating around - plus, it includes the disco track!

Can someone provide a link? I would like to grab this version as well!



I have that SACD. Just listened to it again a few weeks ago before recording another JW podcast (which I hope will release next week). That disc is out of print and a quick eBay search finds it over $50. I recommend the disc but not at that price, particularly if you don't have a SACD player. (And even the SACD tracks are just in stereo.)

Thanks LLL. Amazing work, and as co-host of BondCast, so happy to also see Die Another Day expanded too!


I see, thanks for the info.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I seem to remember Spielberg wanted to fully quote "When You Wish Upon a Star" but couldn't get the license. Thus it's sorta kinda referenced in the score without infringing on copyrights. So I'm a bit surprised the "Special Edition" end credits were recorded first. Or the story I remember is erroneous.

From everything I’ve ever read, it’s erroneous. The references that do exist in the original version of the score would still run afoul of Disney if unlicensed, and if Spielberg had tried to license it he couldn’t even claim it was accidental.

That said, I’ve also read that an early test print had the vocal version of the song directly from “Pinocchio,” and not the Williams instrumental.

I’m sure the liner notes will clear all this up.


I don't remember a Disney copyright notice on the original OST for "When You Wish Upon a Star" if it was indeed licensed.


It was. Because that's where I learned the word "interpolated".

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I seem to remember Spielberg wanted to fully quote "When You Wish Upon a Star" but couldn't get the license. Thus it's sorta kinda referenced in the score without infringing on copyrights. So I'm a bit surprised the "Special Edition" end credits were recorded first. Or the story I remember is erroneous.

From everything I’ve ever read, it’s erroneous. The references that do exist in the original version of the score would still run afoul of Disney if unlicensed, and if Spielberg had tried to license it he couldn’t even claim it was accidental.

That said, I’ve also read that an early test print had the vocal version of the song directly from “Pinocchio,” and not the Williams instrumental.

I’m sure the liner notes will clear all this up.


I don't remember a Disney copyright notice on the original OST for "When You Wish Upon a Star" if it was indeed licensed.


It was. Because that's where I learned the word "interpolated".


Fascinating! I learn something new everyday.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I'm pretty sure the Boston Pops recorded the inside the mothership music--but like you, I'll find out for sure when I read the liner notes...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I seem to remember Spielberg wanted to fully quote "When You Wish Upon a Star" but couldn't get the license. Thus it's sorta kinda referenced in the score without infringing on copyrights. So I'm a bit surprised the "Special Edition" end credits were recorded first. Or the story I remember is erroneous.

From everything I’ve ever read, it’s erroneous. The references that do exist in the original version of the score would still run afoul of Disney if unlicensed, and if Spielberg had tried to license it he couldn’t even claim it was accidental.

That said, I’ve also read that an early test print had the vocal version of the song directly from “Pinocchio,” and not the Williams instrumental.

I’m sure the liner notes will clear all this up.


I don't remember a Disney copyright notice on the original OST for "When You Wish Upon a Star" if it was indeed licensed.


It was. Because that's where I learned the word "interpolated".


HAH! That's where this then 16-year old first saw the word "interpolated" as well!

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2017 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

That reference to the "interpolated" When You Wish Upon A Star located on the original Arista gatefold album (which I've still got somewhere) caused no end of confusion. It is notorious. I can't tell you how hard I listened in on the score to spot where it was hiding. Of course, it was never there - the printed reference on the sleeve was a classical HAL 9000 error.

The Pinocchio theme would not let go at least until AI. It must have made a big impression on young Spielberg.

I tend to think the War Horse theme was an interpolation of A Summer Place. I did mention that when the first War Horse trailer came along, but no one cared to challenge the idea at the time.

 
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