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 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


I would love to do SODOM...and any other Rozsa ... but the recordings I have done over the years have left me without any savings ...


Now, James, don't you think sleeping under newspapers in the park would be worth it when you know how many filmmusic fans you've made happy? Surely that would be enough to keep you warm at night.

Seriously though, this might be a good time to express my own personal appreciation of your efforts. We had our little disagreement on another forum, which I now regret (or at least, letting it run on so long--shouldn't have gone more than 3 posts) but I've always considered you the dream benefactor filmmusic lovers always hoped for but never really believed would ever happen. Above and beyond that, though, your contribution to the availability of fine music in an age choking with less-than-fine music is incalculable, and I can only hope it turns you a large profit in the longer term. You may never get around to SODOM, but I'm still eternally grateful for the many other treasures.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)


I would love to do SODOM...and any other Rozsa ... but the recordings I have done over the years have left me without any savings ...


Now, James, don't you think sleeping under newspapers in the park would be worth it when you know how many filmmusic fans you've made happy? Surely that would be enough to keep you warm at night.

Seriously though, this might be a good time to express my own personal appreciation of your efforts. We had our little disagreement on another forum, which I now regret (or at least, letting it run on so long--shouldn't have gone more than 3 posts) but I've always considered you the dream benefactor filmmusic lovers always hoped for but never really believed would ever happen. Above and beyond that, though, your contribution to the availability of fine music in an age choking with less-than-fine music is incalculable, and I can only hope it turns you a large profit in the longer term. You may never get around to SODOM, but I'm still eternally grateful for the many other treasures.


Well I actually ordered the DVD of the film today....as I don't think I've ever sat through the whole film! Plus getting next week the 2CD Set and the Stereo single CD...just to see what I have been missing all these years!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)


I would love to do SODOM...and any other Rozsa ... but the recordings I have done over the years have left me without any savings ...


Now, James, don't you think sleeping under newspapers in the park would be worth it when you know how many filmmusic fans you've made happy? Surely that would be enough to keep you warm at night.

Seriously though, this might be a good time to express my own personal appreciation of your efforts. We had our little disagreement on another forum, which I now regret (or at least, letting it run on so long--shouldn't have gone more than 3 posts) but I've always considered you the dream benefactor filmmusic lovers always hoped for but never really believed would ever happen. Above and beyond that, though, your contribution to the availability of fine music in an age choking with less-than-fine music is incalculable, and I can only hope it turns you a large profit in the longer term. You may never get around to SODOM, but I'm still eternally grateful for the many other treasures.


Well I actually ordered the DVD of the film today....as I don't think I've ever sat through the whole film! Plus getting next week the 2CD Set and the Stereo single CD...just to see what I have been missing all these years!!


PS Rather enjoying re-listening to the SODOM for the first time in years ... while I do the ironing ... would be rather marvellous to do new recording. Must speak to my bank manager!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

But not before you do STORIA DI UNA DONNA, James!

(sorry, I had to make another attempt)

If you're not convinced by my nagging, listen to the opening cue of the film right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfYGELjTsHE

...or the glorious 6-minute cue that starts at 1 hour and 20 minutes.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)


I would love to do SODOM...and any other Rozsa ... but the recordings I have done over the years have left me without any savings ...


Now, James, don't you think sleeping under newspapers in the park would be worth it when you know how many filmmusic fans you've made happy? Surely that would be enough to keep you warm at night.

Seriously though, this might be a good time to express my own personal appreciation of your efforts. We had our little disagreement on another forum, which I now regret (or at least, letting it run on so long--shouldn't have gone more than 3 posts) but I've always considered you the dream benefactor filmmusic lovers always hoped for but never really believed would ever happen. Above and beyond that, though, your contribution to the availability of fine music in an age choking with less-than-fine music is incalculable, and I can only hope it turns you a large profit in the longer term. You may never get around to SODOM, but I'm still eternally grateful for the many other treasures.


Well I actually ordered the DVD of the film today....as I don't think I've ever sat through the whole film! Plus getting next week the 2CD Set and the Stereo single CD...just to see what I have been missing all these years!!


PS Rather enjoying re-listening to the SODOM for the first time in years ... while I do the ironing ... would be rather marvellous to do new recording. Must speak to my bank manager!


James,

On a separate topic I have been enjoying the wonderful A Passage to India release from last year. Reading the notes accompanying the CD you mention that you were able to get the original tapes for The Bride. Is there any possibility that The Bride will also receive a wonderful release akin to that of A Passage to India courtesy of Tadlow/quartet records?












 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

James,

On a separate topic I have been enjoying the wonderful A Passage to India release from last year. Reading the notes accompanying the CD you mention that you were able to get the original tapes for The Bride. Is there any possibility that The Bride will also receive a wonderful release akin to that of A Passage to India courtesy of Tadlow/quartet records?


Record Maurice Jarre's SHOGUN score, please. It's got theme, romance and excitement aplenty! Worth having a musicologist prepare manuscripts from listening to the score tapes, I've no doubt.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

James, if you're ordering the new Fox Studio Classics MOD of SODOM AND GOMORRAH, don't judge the film by that transfer. It's P&S and has faded color. There's a German PAL DVD that has much better overall picture quality, and is letterboxed.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have been outvoiced by the SODOM AND GOMORRAH crowd. I accept my defeat and proceed to different shores (the Tribute people, maybe?).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

A new recording of SODOM would be magnificent.

That said, I've been so impressed by all your recordings whether it be for Tadlow or Prometheus that I'll buy whatever it is you do next.
I've enjoyed listening to new recordings of firm favourites (the two Conan's) as well as discovering some scores for the first time (Exodus, Salamander, Taras Bulba, Alamo).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Joe Brausam   (Member)

A new Sodom would be incredible! Wonderful score.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

A new Sodom would be incredible! Wonderful score.

Yes it would as S&G is a great score and would benefit from a modern recording. That said is it economically feasible?

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Almost none of these are economically feasible. That's why we all love James/Luc and the Tribute gang so much!

I think the only Tadlow productions that made their money back were El Cid, Conan 1, and Lawrence but I could be wrong.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Weird how if you accidentally hit the post button twice from the same screen it gets posted twice. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I have been outvoiced by the SODOM AND GOMORRAH crowd. I accept my defeat and proceed to different shores (the Tribute people, maybe?).

Well in conversations I've had with John I know they've been interested in doing a Williams score for some time (and a Goldsmith, BTW). I'm sure Story of a Woman was not on their radar before but if you sent them a link to the film and/or music suite on YouTube they might become interested. Of course all recordings seem stalled from them for the foreseeable future, until they get funding to continue...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here too:

Please, please, please with sugar on top -- rerecord John Williams' THE STORY OF A WOMAN/STORIA DI UNA DONNA!!

The film has recently been made available on Youtube for all to see and hear. And what a fantastic piece it is. Additionally, the score sheets exist in the Universal libraries according to a source within. AND it's guaranteed to sell well.

So there's only some paperwork and the decision to make it standing between us and a great, new John Williams score that has never seen the light of day!


A release of STORIA DI UNA DONNA would be wonderful!
This is one of the most beautiful pre-Jaws Williams scores!

And I really think, that scores that have no release whatsoever should be first in line for a re-recording than scores that do already have a release! (eg. Sodom and Gommorah)

Here, I post again the highlight of the score:
http://picosong.com/eEB2/

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thanks to both of you for adding to my STORIA chorus!

I wasn't aware that John Morgan & co. had funding issues, but now that you mention, it has been a long time since the last Tribute release.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here too:

Please, please, please with sugar on top -- rerecord John Williams' THE STORY OF A WOMAN/STORIA DI UNA DONNA!!

The film has recently been made available on Youtube for all to see and hear. And what a fantastic piece it is. Additionally, the score sheets exist in the Universal libraries according to a source within. AND it's guaranteed to sell well.

So there's only some paperwork and the decision to make it standing between us and a great, new John Williams score that has never seen the light of day!


A release of STORIA DI UNA DONNA would be wonderful!
This is one of the most beautiful pre-Jaws Williams scores!

And I really think, that scores that have no release whatsoever should be first in line for a re-recording than scores that do already have a release! (eg. Sodom and Gommorah)

Here, I post again the highlight of the score:
http://picosong.com/eEB2/


But, what you have to consider is "rights" and who owns them. And as I believe John Wlliams is very much alive he might have the final say-so, along with the publishers, as to any re-recording of his music....as believe it or not his name does carry a lot of "clout" in these matters. So it it not as simple as some people seem to think about get "first recording rights" for such a score as STORIA.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here too:

Please, please, please with sugar on top -- rerecord John Williams' THE STORY OF A WOMAN/STORIA DI UNA DONNA!!

The film has recently been made available on Youtube for all to see and hear. And what a fantastic piece it is. Additionally, the score sheets exist in the Universal libraries according to a source within. AND it's guaranteed to sell well.

So there's only some paperwork and the decision to make it standing between us and a great, new John Williams score that has never seen the light of day!


A release of STORIA DI UNA DONNA would be wonderful!
This is one of the most beautiful pre-Jaws Williams scores!

And I really think, that scores that have no release whatsoever should be first in line for a re-recording than scores that do already have a release! (eg. Sodom and Gommorah)

Here, I post again the highlight of the score:
http://picosong.com/eEB2/


But, what you have to consider is "rights" and who owns them. And as I believe John Wlliams is very much alive he might have the final say-so, along with the publishers, as to any re-recording of his music....as believe it or not his name does carry a lot of "clout" in these matters. So it it not as simple as some people seem to think about get "first recording rights" for such a score as STORIA.


Yes, I understand this thing with the rights, but we wouldn't know until someone asks, would we?
Until now we know that Williams has asked for Sugarland Express not to be released.
It seems other old scores of his were released (originals and re-recordings) and I think he wasn't involved in any way.

How much does it cost approximately for someone to get the rights to release a score? (I assume it will depend on the popularity of the score too). Or it isn't a matter of cost but a matter of "getting permission" and paying them afterwards from the sales of the cds?

Anyway, as I've said in the Storia di una donna thread, i can confirm that the parts for the score exist at the Universal Music Library Archives, so at least there is no problem with finding the sheet music..

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

OK, let's talk title appeal for a moment. I think 'Story of a Woman' has the same problem as 'A Certain Smile', which as I pointed out in another thread, albeit somewhat tongue-in-cheek, has no street cred with us manly guys. I mean, is that title really going to grab some 22 year-old alpha male who's never heard the score by the throat? Or even your average timid bank clerk. It just doesn't suggest much excitement, much of anything really, whereas S & G, even if you've never heard of the film, is readily identifiable as a Rozsa score with battles, marches and a city blowing up. I know we're all highly evolved types on this forum (clears throat), but surely not so much that we don't like battles, marches and explosions anymore. I'm sure Thor's tinnitus could stand it. I know mine could.

Besides, I want to know how the Prague trumpet players handle the triple tonguing in the climax of Sodom's destruction.

(PS. Take all the above with a grain of salt. Or a pillar). smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

OK, let's talk title appeal for a moment. I think 'Story of a Woman' has the same problem as 'A Certain Smile', which as I pointed out in another thread, albeit somewhat tongue-in-cheek, has no street cred with us manly guys. I mean, is that title really going to grab some 22 year-old alpha male who's never heard the score by the throat?

Well, the title itself maybe not, but if you put next to it the name "JOHN WILLIAMS", it might do the trick! ;-)

 
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