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 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Granada, Puppies for Sale -- two more shorts he's credited for at IMDb; anybody know anything about these?


U.S.C.'s Bernstein Collection has one page of sketches for "Puppies for Sale," but nothing for "Granada."


GRANADA : Agua Sin Pausa can be found on Youtube. It is nothing more than a three-and-a-quarter minute travelogue, using Bernstein's Egyptian Dance from THE TEN COMMANDMENTS as background music. Scratch.

- JMM.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Trust Me -- another credit at Soundtrack Collector but it doesn't show up at IMDb...anyone have a clue?


Soundtrack Collector lists that film as being from 1988. There is a 1989 film called TRUST ME in the IMDB here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098529/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_11

That film was copyrighted in 1988, so I presume that is the film referred to by Soundtrack Collector. The IMDB lists Dan Wool as the film's composer, under the production company name of Pray for Rain.

However, the U.S.C. Bernstein Collection has 80 pages of sketches for a project titled "Trust Me," so perhaps this is another rejected Bernstein score. And the score may well have been recorded, because the Collecdtion contains another 5 pages of "music editing notes."

If there is a recording, it's probably controlled by the film's production company and copyright claimant, Trust Me Productions, and the film's producer (George Edwards) and director (Bobby Houston).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Ripley's Believe It Or Not! -- though IMDb doesn't credit him, it mentions Henry Mancini, Robert Prince, Craig Safan, Joseph Weiss, and Morton Stevens. Soundtrack Collector credits Mancini, Prince, Bob Summers, Lee Holdridge (!), Lalo Schifrin (!!), and yes, Bernstein (!!! if true) Even if Bernstein didn't work on it, I'd be curious about a release of music from this series...


The U.S.C. Bernstein collection contains no written score materials for this show.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Honky Tonk Freeway -- totally unreleased as far as I know; anyone know how much music Bernstein even wrote for this?


Here's a rough measure: For "Honky Tonk Freeway," the U.S.C. Bernstein Collection contains a copy of the original full score in the hand of arranger David Spear, which runs 114 pages. For comparison, the original full score for "Ghostbusters" in the hand of David Spear and Peter Bernstein runs 83 pages. The Varese "Ghostbusters" CD runs 61 minutes (not counting bonus tracks), so it's probably fair to say that there's at least an hour of music written for Honky Tonk Freeway.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Looks like Haineshisway has found one. He's just announced a 77-minute "The Buccaneer"!

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

I thought we already got a definitive release of the Ghostbusters score? And what are some things MV said to hint at it?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Walk Proud, Delta House, Mandrake the Magician -- all TV credits at Soundtrack Collector not mentioned at IMDb...enlighten us if you know anything.


The U.S.C. Bernstein Collection does not contain any score materials for these projects.

"Delta House" was a 1979 sitcom based on the movie "Animal House." It only aired on ABC for 4 months. Like the film, the sitcom was produced by Universal, so perhaps some of Bernstein's music from the film was tracked into the show.

"Mandrake" was a TV movie produced by Universal that aired on NBC on January 24, 1979. Its score is credited to Morton Stevens.

"Walk Proud" was actually a theatrical film produced and distributed by Universal which opened on June 15, 1979. It starred Robby Benson and its score is credited to Don Peake and Robby Benson.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)


""Five Days One Summer -- another unreleased 80s Bernstein score, and refreshingly not a comedy but a drama, an independent production distributed by Warner Bros. Who knows if tapes survive?""

Yavar, as no reply returned to you on FIVE DAYS, ONE SUMMER, I saw here and found of this, in my library, a block of 26 perfect tracks, untitled but apparently in chronological order, for a total of 48 minutes, which must be, if not the complete session score, a perfect planning for an album release, or so, keeping in mind the film was 1982, still the LP era.
I tried to do a check on the audio film track, but the score is too fragmented, with too many cues and short passages.
In any case, the music IS there, from main title to finale-end credit (this last 4:30 min), and in perfect quality.
As I've been collecting for decades and handled a huge quantity of materials, with a lot of correspondence, I have no exact idea where it came from, but, I repeat, THIS is the score.
And WHAT a score!
Some time, yes, rather repetitive, and with excessive use of Ondes Martenot (Cinthya Millar is a big figure in the world music scene, but I never liked and thought rather intrusive this kind of instrument, as part of the orchestra, alas become a true trademark of the last Bernstein), but in any case a very lovely intimate score, that at times becomes thunderous and retraces the old Bernstein of the '60s, giving a "summa" of his style and mood. The film was rather awkward, dealing with the ambiguous relationship between uncle and niece, and maybe this obscured the interest for the score release.
Thank for reliving the interest in some forgotten or minor titles, but I still keep attention on a handful of works, after the announced COMMANDMENTS and BUCCANEER, and between them I put immediately the original KINGS OF THE SUN and a complete WHERE'S JACK.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'd like to point out that composer collections at institutions, like USC, are never complete (at least I have never found one to be, and I've scrolled through a couple dozen (from Courage, Trevor Jones, to the CBS archive), so just because you don't find something on there, it's no indicative of whether or not something was done.


And, as a side note, I'd like to add that I hope the rejected score to "Five Days One Summer" also gets released (Carl Davis).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'd like to point out that composer collections at institutions . . . [are] not indicative of whether or not something was done.


Well, I agree that the collection can't prove that something wasn't done. On the other hand, the collections can provide very good evidence of things that were done.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I thought we already got a definitive release of the Ghostbusters score? And what are some things MV said to hint at it?

MV made a comment about wanting to do a definitive release with the score on one disc and the songs on a second disc, but I always read it as wishful thinking. This was at least a year ago, if not more.

The guy who runs Spook Central did a rundown of the Varese album:
http://www.theraffon.net/~spookcentral/gb1_score.htm

With the Varese Club back in action, I'm wondering if they would revisit the title themselves. And 2014 is GB's 30th anniversary.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Merlin was never recorded, save for one song by me on Unsung Musicals II, sung by original cast member Michelle Nicastro.

Well, apparently someone recorded it illegally, as reflected in Bob DiMucci's mention of a mono bootleg above your post, Bruce...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Merlin was never recorded, save for one song by me on Unsung Musicals II, sung by original cast member Michelle Nicastro.

Well, apparently someone recorded it illegally, as reflected in Bob DiMucci's mention of a mono bootleg above your post, Bruce...

Yavar


I don't talk about illegal stuff, nor do I consider it "recorded." In other words, anyone can record anything and I'm sure many have. Can't put it out, as you might imagine and the quality is horrible.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well, I didn't know about the quality, and we've certainly had our share of official releases that have only been able to come out because of "illegal" recordings...anyways it sounds(?) like it wasn't terribly interesting music anyway. Should I just remove it from my list, since it's also not a film score, or leave it on just for the heck of it?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

"Casey's Shadow" (rejected score)
"Trust Me" (rejected score; Pray For Rain, replacement score)
"Murder In Mississippi" (rejected score)
"Innocent Blood" (rejected score)


Do you know for sure if these were actually written, or more importantly, recorded?

One episode of "Gunsmoke" ("Hostage!")

Thanks. I'll try to keep that in mind as I go further back.

LLLR's isn't doig "Ghostbusters"; I asked via e-mail about it.

I slightly modified my entry for this. It did *sound* very much like they were looking into doing it, based on things MV had said, about it needing two discs to be done right...thought there was some winking on his part there. I know there's a post from Jim Titus in 2005 where he says he'd really like to design the booklets for both Ghostbusters scores. Maybe MV will give him the chance some day...

I don't have a full composers listing for "Ripley's Believe It or Not", but of what I do have, just one episode by Bernstein. Hell -- there's isn't an episode listing online (or even episode names); I had to go by loose production numbers.
http://tvscoring.150m.com/Ripleys.html


Interesting. I'll modify my entry to reflect one episode score for now, and await further confirmation.

Yavar

P.S. Dorothy Day Story removed, thanks to you and Bob. Thanks for looking into it with the director; now if someone would just correct SoundtrackCollector.

P.P.S. Thanks also to James MacMillan for helping remove Granada from the list.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

"Casey's Shadow" (rejected score)
"Trust Me" (rejected score; Pray For Rain, replacement score)
"Murder In Mississippi" (rejected score)
"Innocent Blood" (rejected score)


Do you know for sure if these were actually written, or more importantly, recorded?

Yes, all those were recorded. There's a tapes issue with the first.
And MIM -- there's one cue still left in the film.

I do what I can, but it's a ton of work:
http://www.RejectedFilmScores.150m.com/list.html

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

A Bernstein project left off the list is the 1995 TV documentary "A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies." This was produced by Miramax, and so probably now resides with Filmyard Holdings.

Thanks for this, Bob. I'll add it to the list. Sounds interesting! BTW, any idea on why isn't it listed on this TV page of Bernstein's website (or SoundtrackCollector)?
http://elmerbernstein.com/tv/tv.html

I found it now on IMDb but somehow had missed it before. Any idea of how much original score Bernstein wrote for it?

I've also made other updates to the list based on your extremely helpful information.

Yavar

P.S. finder4545, thanks for the info on Five Days One Summer. I hope you don't mind that I added it to the main post.

P.P.S. Justin, I'll add those rejected scores to my original post on my next update.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2013 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Puppies For Sale was a charming little tale, one of the final credits of Jack Lemmon. The film was only nine minutes long. Bernstein wrote an original piano score for it - I would assume he played the piano himself. Because of the brevity and relative obscurity of it, I wouldn't imagine this will come to a CD anytime soon (though, stranger things have happened!)

 
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