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 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)


What do you think about Elmer Bernstein "The Ten Commandments"? I know, we have complete score on big Intrada BOX, but sound of this is very, very dissapointing... Im sure that The Ten Commandments will be awesome newly recorded.

What do you think about this? It is any chances for this, maybe somewhere in future? Or not? It is cult classic movie, especially in USA, and Bernstein wonderfull score is also loved by many film music fans around the world which will be very happy about new TTC recording...

All the best, Michal


I am really grateful you mentioned that about the 10 C box, because I had that on my wish list. I'll just stick the old MGM then.

It would be cool to hear some Bernstein! 10 C was such a popular soundtrack, I imagine a Kickstarter would rock it to fruition.

I wish there was some Alfred Newman/Tadlow. THAT I'd get really freaked over. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I am really grateful you mentioned that about the 10 C box, because I had that on my wish list. I'll just stick the old MGM then.

I completely disagree that the sound is disappointing on the Intrada 10 C box. I too had the old album, wasn't sure how much I wanted to splurge on the box, but I did pick it up and it has been a revelation. Not talking about the merits of a new recording, but for lovers of this music, I would go so far as to say that the box is a must have.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


I completely disagree that the sound is disappointing on the Intrada 10 C box. I too had the old album, wasn't sure how much I wanted to splurge on the box, but I did pick it up and it has been a revelation. Not talking about the merits of a new recording, but for lovers of this music, I would go so far as to say that the box is a must have.



I'd say the sound is worse than disappointing. The existence of this patchwork quilt of vastly-variable sound should be a key factor in favor of deciding to do a re-recording. The Dot album is the only disc in the set that I'll be playing in future.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The album remasters in the Ten Commandments box set sound fantastic, and are superior to any previous incarnations I have ever encountered. The sound on the presentation of the complete score is variable, but I have found it to be quite listenable most of the time (though it does have its difficult moments), and having the whole score to listen to — which is much grander and more multi-faceted than the albums could hope to encompass — more than makes up for any shortcomings in the sound (some of which are, admittedly, pretty rough patches).

I would, of course, love to have a new recording of the complete score. But, while imperfect, the 10C box set is not the sonic disaster all the way through that it might seem from the comments. And unless and until a new recording exists, the box set is the only way to hear the complete score on its own, and is more than worth it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Maybe I'm just so used to the often variable audio quality of old recordings that I don't worry about these things, but I was not taken aback by anything I heard in the box. Not to say I wouldn't appreciate a new recording - I'm definitely in the camp that enjoys different perspectives on scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

The original mono and stereo Dot Records releases sound as good as they will ever get and they are pretty good for 1956 and 1959 or so recordings. The UA Bernstein redo sounds terrible. It is really a shame that Tadlow cancelled their proposed recording because of the Intrada as the Intrada release took so long to be released that the possibility exists that James might have made his money on TTC and we would have a brand new recording...that will now probably never take place.

While it is great to have the complete score and then some there is much on the original tracks that is quite unlistenable. And I'm sure that Intrada did everything in their power to bring this project to fruition.

A real shame.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

The total is increasingly, creeping-up, 50,000 would be a grand total that would be a great goal for Tadlow for future recordings, I still reckon there might be a few more big hitters, donations, well-done again every-one

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

The total is increasingly, creeping-up, 50,000 would be a grand total that would be a great goal for Tadlow for future recordings, I still reckon there might be a few more big hitters, donations, well-done again every-one

I like the fact that by going over we help James defray the costs even more. I knew this project would make it, the score is truly a masterpiece and people should have a rerecording. I see King of Kings left out too much in favor of El Cid, Ben Hur, Quo Vadis, Lost Weekend, and many more. I see it as Rozsa writing at his peak.

There's a really interesting book called Epic Sound by Stephen Meyer; in it he discusses Rozsa's determination to not make a score like Ben Hur during the making of King of Kings. Apparently the maestro was upset by all the obviously derivative advertising going on for KoK, and did his best to make the score itself unique. I think he succeeded, they're both great scores, all in their own way.

It also has some fascinating information regarding Greatest Story Ever Told, Ben Hur...all the ones named above plus the 10 Cs. Really good book I got on ebay cheap and was rewarding as all heck!

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2018 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

It is really a shame that Tadlow cancelled their proposed recording because of the Intrada as the Intrada release took so long to be released that the possibility exists that James might have made his money on TTC and we would have a brand new recording.




Absolutely.
If someone had played the Intrada Disc 2 to me a year before its release, without telling me what it was, I would probably have said, "Don't worry, that's obviously just an old boot you're playing. Best to wait until Intrada brings out the ultimate set in a year's time".

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 12:49 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


If someone had played the Intrada Disc 2 to me a year before its release, without telling me what it was, I would probably have said, "Don't worry, that's obviously just an old boot you're playing.


Yes, and we all know that old boots don't play well on these new fangled record players. They keep breaking the needles. smile

To Wagner: that sounds like a fascinating book on a neglected subject. Thanks for the tip.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)


If someone had played the Intrada Disc 2 to me a year before its release, without telling me what it was, I would probably have said, "Don't worry, that's obviously just an old boot you're playing.


Yes, and we all know that old boots don't play well on these new fangled record players. They keep breaking the needles. smile

To Wagner: that sounds like a fascinating book on a neglected subject. Thanks for the tip.


I was happily surprised upon receiving it from ebay; anyone who loves the biblical epics (whether sound or movie or both-wise) would find that book pretty darn interesting. Highly recommended.

I picked it up for just over 10 US, just keep your eyes peeled...

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

The UA Bernstein redo sounds terrible.

??? Certainly not. Listen to the boot LP tranfer done years ago from this album, THAT sounds terrible, not the Intrada. This UA recording is llghter, yes, but vivid and dynamic. I like it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

But the most important thing is that original complete score on cd 1,2,3 sounds very poor. Especially tracks like "Organ" nad "Spoils of Egypt"...

Low quality of sound of complete The Ten Commandments is main reason why this score should be newly recorded. Im sure it will be just incredible in new recording.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

I agree... But It's (apparently) not in the Tadlow projects, so if we can find 80 000 £ why not ?

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

It will be great to know what James personally think about possible new The Ten Commandments in future.

Who knows, maybe he will be interrested in this?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

The UA Bernstein redo sounds terrible.

??? Certainly not. Listen to the boot LP tranfer done years ago from this album, THAT sounds terrible, not the Intrada. This UA recording is llghter, yes, but vivid and dynamic. I like it.


Don't have the boot. Glad you like the recording. It sounds terrible on my system. Maybe I'm only getting The 5 Commandments...

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

The UA Bernstein redo sounds terrible.

??? Certainly not. Listen to the boot LP tranfer done years ago from this album, THAT sounds terrible, not the Intrada. This UA recording is llghter, yes, but vivid and dynamic. I like it.


Don't have the boot. Glad you like the recording. It sounds terrible on my system. Maybe I'm only getting The 5 Commandments...


lol! +100

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

The UA Bernstein redo sounds terrible.

??? Certainly not. Listen to the boot LP tranfer done years ago from this album, THAT sounds terrible, not the Intrada. This UA recording is llghter, yes, but vivid and dynamic. I like it.


Don't have the boot. Glad you like the recording. It sounds terrible on my system. Maybe I'm only getting The 5 Commandments...


... or perhaps you missed the 11th commandment : "The UA Album, thou will like" ? smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I've played the UA album the most from the Intrada box - I love the tight program and enjoy the lighter orchestration. The sound has seemed fine to me, but as may already be obvious, I don't listen like an audiophile do! wink

By the way, speaking of King of Kings (which I feel I oughta), I finally loaded up the Tadlow Ben-Hur on my iPod to give it a proper (if non-audiophile) listen, but starting with Thief of Bagdad first. All looking ahead to the big one (yes, I'm one of those who prefers KoK to B-H).

Man, does Thief sound great, such detail and range in the music, and I'm just now to "I want to be a sailor!" so there's so much more to come.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2018 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I've played the UA album the most from the Intrada box - I love the tight program and enjoy the lighter orchestration. The sound has seemed fine to me, but as may already be obvious, I don't listen like an audiophile do! wink

By the way, speaking of King of Kings (which I feel I oughta), I finally loaded up the Tadlow Ben-Hur on my iPod to give it a proper (if non-audiophile) listen, but starting with Thief of Bagdad first. All looking ahead to the big one (yes, I'm one of those who prefers KoK to B-H).

Man, does Thief sound great, such detail and range in the music, and I'm just now to "I want to be a sailor!" so there's so much more to come.


Thief is great. But that's just one of many from Tadlow. I have Duel in the Sun and QB VII on the way this week, very excited.

 
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