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 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Wow! Great to see this is so successful. Congrats James! smile

Gosh guys, let's get KOK in the can before any more "what's next!" smile


Sorry it was my fault for teasing!

Just so people do not need to speculate...on my wish list are Dracula/the Curse of Frankenstein, The Vikings, Night of the Hunter, Jesus of Nazareth.....that's it...for now. I definitely will not be doing Black Patch or Face of the Fugitive...historically interesting Goldsmith scores but not particularly interesting musically....Spartacus....would cost twice as much as K of K and not a chance in he'll of even covering a small part of budget...and not really inclined to do any Herrmann as a sales disaster re Obsession.....but I can always be persuaded otherwise if enough people want to contribute their hard earned dosh! But for scores I love then I will fork out 50% of the total budget....but for others the "fans" will have to fun it 100%!!!



Let's not give up on Herrmann. A full recording of his gorgeous THE GHOST AND MRS MUIR would be an evergreen title. Also ON DANGEROUS GROUND would be a highly appreciated by the true Herrmann fans. I would certainly fork out for these two titles. I know others can vouch for the same. Let's hope we can pursue these in coming years!


On Dangerous Ground would be miraculous (imagine it paired with It's Alive, drool). I'm pretty darn happy with the Varese re-recording of Ghost and Mrs. Muir, but would fork out the cash for either.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

This understandable argument has equally limited Ben-Hur's sales, I suppose, and the present KoK Kickstarter (it was returned to me many times when I was promoting this campaign as I could). The film isn't well known or appreciated, too, even his music isn't particularly sought after.

Sorry, I'm not able to make anything out of this paragraph. Could you elaborate?

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

This understandable argument has equally limited Ben-Hur's sales, I suppose, and the present KoK Kickstarter (it was returned to me many times when I was promoting this campaign as I could). The film isn't well known or appreciated, too, even his music isn't particularly sought after.

Sorry, I'm not able to make anything out of this paragraph. Could you elaborate?


Sorry I'm not clear. On some forums or FB pages (especially classical music ones) where I relayed the KoK founding, several participants told me they did not buy Ben-Hur, or did not want to finance KoK, because other editions of the same music are already satisfactory. Nothing new, but I think that must be kept in mind. Their argument is that it is better to fund restorations or re-recordings of more or less missing soundtracks... Did they buy The Thief of Bagdad? I don't know. Still, their point is valid. Of course it is normal that Mr Fitzpatrick's choices prevails since he pays the bill, and KoK's project suits me personally, I'm only repeating a frequent counter argument. But I don't think the sound quality argument, or some additional tracks like in Ben-Hur, are enough to make such a project profitable in these days. Collectors do choices and some of the them prefer the original recordings. A new recording, ideally, should meet (as much as possible) several expectations :

- filling a flagrant lack of discography (or really bad sounding tracks), it must appear essential to those who like this music (especially if it's a small group of people)
- being a well-known film, and/or a sought-after renowned soundtrack/composer.
- do not cost too much.

It's easy to say, I know, it's hard to predict success. Tadlow's The Alamo prove that. The market is no more what it was. But if El Cid was going out today I think he would sell better than Ben-Hur, just because the original album was short and not the OST, so a more comprehensive soundtrack was long-awaited (although Koch had partly filled this expectation, Tadlow's was much longer, complete and better: essential.)

I'm very happy that KoK is funded, but, as many others, I will not be able to systematically give £ 100 or much more for a new recording. I think projects like Thriller, Dracula or Night of the Hunter can be financed more easily, they are good choices. I Hope so!

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I know I didn't buy Tadlow's Obsession because I got the Quartet and the sound quality was plenty good for what I needed. Looking forward to seeing future projects get funded.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I know I didn't buy Tadlow's Obsession because I got the Quartet and the sound quality was plenty good for what I needed. Looking forward to seeing future projects get funded.

The Tadlow is at times bewitchingly ethereal. It is an example of a re-recording done right, and I highly recommend it.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



Sorry I'm not clear. On some forums or FB pages (especially classical music ones) where I relayed the KoK founding, several participants told me they did not buy Ben-Hur, or did not want to finance KoK, because other editions of the same music are already satisfactory.


Odd that classical music lovers would say that, since many of them proudly claim about buying Beethoven symphonies (or whatever else) for the 10th time in new recordings...
(Not me, I much prefer to have a broad variety of music than the same thing over and over, but on the flip side I would never say that a score like KoK or even Ben-Hur doesn't deserve a single new complete recording which is nothing when you have symphonies and concerti by very obscure composers getting recorded multiple times)

And personally, I'm sure I said this before but I actually didn't buy Obsession because of the included BR-A. I'd actually buy it in a second were it to be re-released as CD only. I know I'm wierd that way....but just giving out the facts.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)



Sorry I'm not clear. On some forums or FB pages (especially classical music ones) where I relayed the KoK founding, several participants told me they did not buy Ben-Hur, or did not want to finance KoK, because other editions of the same music are already satisfactory.


Odd that classical music lovers would say that, since many of them proudly claim about buying Beethoven symphonies (or whatever else) for the 10th time in new recordings...
(Not me, I much prefer to have a broad variety of music than the same thing over and over, but on the flip side I would never say that a score like KoK or even Ben-Hur doesn't deserve a single new complete recording which is nothing when you have symphonies and concerti by very obscure composers getting recorded multiple times)

And personally, I'm sure I said this before but I actually didn't buy Obsession because of the included BR-A. I'd actually buy it in a second were it to be re-released as CD only. I know I'm wierd that way....but just giving out the facts.



The Tadlow release includes a regular cd. It's a splendid recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


Sorry I'm not clear. On some forums or FB pages (especially classical music ones) where I relayed the KoK founding, several participants told me they did not buy Ben-Hur, or did not want to finance KoK, because other editions of the same music are already satisfactory. Nothing new, but I think that must be kept in mind. Their argument is that it is better to fund restorations or re-recordings of more or less missing soundtracks...


Thanks for clearing that up. On the question of not buying the new B-H because other editions are satisfactory, I think I've stated before that I find the original tracks satisfactory in the FSM edition, but I was happy to support the project in order to have a digital version that might just possibly stir new interest in the music. The original tracks can't be bettered from a musical/historical POV since they are what they are, the original tracks, and the sound is remarkably good for '59. I will almost certainly go on listening to these as I tend to always prefer the original where the sound is okay, and that will possibly continue with KoK. Doesn't matter, I was still happy to chuck into the Kickstarter what for me was a decent chunk of cash because these things must be supported. The world is awash with pop rubbish (well, just rubbish in general really), and I'm happy to support anything that classes up the joint a bit. However that's my mindset, and I don't expect others to share it.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 12:50 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Technical question: I went through what I thought was the normal procedure of making a contribution, but I notice now that my contribution is in the "You selected: Make a pledge without a reward" box. Since I don't recall ticking that box, and since I love rewards, I'm just wondering what the story is.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Remarkably, the pledged amount keeps increasing. Maybe James will end up not having to pay his half smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Odd that classical music lovers would say that, since many of them proudly claim about buying Beethoven symphonies (or whatever else) for the 10th time in new recordings...

While I don't disagree with you the obvious difference between classical music and film music is that there's a clear frame of reference (or simply put: an original) for the latter: The film itself and a sound recording.

Since over the years it has been my own experience as a soundtrack collector I "get" (and think) that it's not natural to see the point in re-recording something "original" (generally speaking; of course there are many good & often practical reasons for re-recordings).
(An answer I saw at a board where I put updates concerning the KOK Kickstarter was: "why a re-recording? Only original Recording of KING of KINGS works for me on CD")

I have been "converted" by this board and finally, of course, by the quality recordings from labels like Tadlow or Tribute Film Classics. And now there's no going back. But I guess you have to be willing to take the plunge and accept something that's not "your original".

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


The Tadlow release includes a regular cd. It's a splendid recording.


You miss the point completely.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Remarkably, the pledged amount keeps increasing. Maybe James will end up not having to pay his half smile

Not remarkable at all actually -- now that the goal has been hit, people can pledge knowing they didn't waste their time following a 'dead' project.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)



Not remarkable at all actually -- now that the goal has been hit, people can pledge knowing they didn't waste their time following a 'dead' project.


That makes no sense to me at all. Pledging before the target is met means either getting a reward or not having to pay anything if it fails. However, a sure way to help ensure that a project fails is to wait until the target is met!

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)


The Tadlow release includes a regular cd. It's a splendid recording.


You miss the point completely.


I must say I missed your point, too. Where is the problem if a CD is included? The price of the package?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)


The Tadlow release includes a regular cd. It's a splendid recording.


You miss the point completely.


I must say I missed your point, too. Where is the problem if a CD is included? The price of the package?


Who knows, some people are impossible to please.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)



Not remarkable at all actually -- now that the goal has been hit, people can pledge knowing they didn't waste their time following a 'dead' project.


That makes no sense to me at all. Pledging before the target is met means either getting a reward or not having to pay anything if it fails. However, a sure way to help ensure that a project fails is to wait until the target is met!


But it is a fact that many people do contribute once a campaign has reached its target....or at least if the target has been reached in advance of the cut-off date.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

I'm just glad that the goal was reached!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


You miss the point completely.

I must say I missed your point, too.

That makes no sense to me at all.


My head hurts.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2017 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

Il must be the Champagne. smile

 
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