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 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

One of Elmer's best. Playing it over and over again. Hopefully, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS can't be too far behind this gem.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Maybe it is my lack of connection to the show and unfamiliarity with the re-recording but I don't find the samples particularly compelling. Sound quality is indeed really good for the age and considering it is mono, even better than The Pride and the Passion, that I hear a bit of in this score with its Spanish influence. Still, the samples themselves are not particularly engaging and the large religious choral sound is not really grabbing me.

You are, then, excused from buying it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Bruce and gang - of course I am aware that Hollywood orchestras are not large.

But the orchestra on the Warners LP sounds very small and swimming in reverb.

To which Warner Brothers LP soundtrack are you referring?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Bruce and gang - of course I am aware that Hollywood orchestras are not large.

But the orchestra on the Warners LP sounds very small and swimming in reverb.

To which Warner Brothers LP soundtrack are you referring?



I think Joe is talking about FANNY.

(Check further up in the thread.....)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Manderley- when studios lose the rights to the film, is it just the film or does it inlude music too.
When the Image released the dvd, the CD had to be licensed from Rhino.

When the john Wayne Batjac films went to Paramount, Mrs. Wayne wanted to release some soundtrack cds, especially a complete High and the Mighty. She found they did not own music rights to any of the moives !!!!!



I'm just guessing, but I suspect that contracts will differ as to what rights are transferred between the parties, e.g., video rights, theatrical distribution rights, nontheatrical distribution rights, broadcast rights, cable rights, music rights, screenplay publication rights, still reproduction rights, remake rights, etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Another great score from this "Year of Bernstein."





You ever notice that posters for golden age films painted huge muscle on the regular-looking male actors? Is that massively muscular man supposed to be Roger Moore? He never looked like that. Even Steve Reeves as Hercules had painted-on larger muscles, as if he needed this help! The female leads also had "improved" figures on the posters. Love the golden age! smile



This ad looks stylistically like the one for THE SILVER CHALICE, where a much-enhanced Paul Newman has arms like Conan, in chains behind him, with a busty Virginia Mayo in the foreground, looking more like a Marilyn prototype.

Gustav Rehberger, the art teacher from my anatomy class at the Art Students League in New York, said on several occasions that he did some film ad campaigns. Since he specialized in anatomy, I wondered if he might be the artist behind these campaigns, but then I noted a style similar to his in the ads for a few other films, like THE DEFIANT ONES. Looking him up on Google, I found he did poster art for DEFIANT ONES, MOBY DICK, HELEN OF TROY, CHEYENNE AUTUMN, MAJOR DUNDEE, and THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA, among others. Though I could not find references to them, I wouldn't be surprised if he worked on THE MIRACLE and THE SILVER CHALICE as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Bruce and gang - of course I am aware that Hollywood orchestras are not large.

But the orchestra on the Warners LP sounds very small and swimming in reverb.

To which Warner Brothers LP soundtrack are you referring?



Sorry, Fanny the Josh Logan Film

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Sorry to continue taking this AWAY from the original posting and Elmer Bernstein, but just had to comment on this:

As to the FANNY request, though I'd love it too, I don't believe FANNY is still owned by Warners. It was distributed on DVD (and with an included CD of the score) by Image Entertainment in 2008, presumably licensed from the production entity which "owns" the
copyright, Mansfield Productions.

Perhaps Mansfield is related to Josh Logan's estate, or more likely, the estate of the original creator of the written material, Marcel Pagnol, which has made the release of other versions of this, particularly MGM's PORT OF SEVEN SEAS, difficult to impossible so far. Still another clearance problem could be that of composer Harold Rome.

If someone could battle through the rights and red-tape, it would be a worthy issue---though I imagine that anything still stored in the WB vaults and that could be cleared would be mono, unfortunately.


Regarding the above, I was longing to play Harold Rome's wonderful score a couple of months ago, having had it for years on LP, but when I went to my large collection of CDs, was disappointed that what I actually had on CD was the Broadway show with Rome's songs, which he adapted for the non-musical film, sort of like what Andre Previn did with the music for the original stage production of "Irma La Douce." Always thought it wasn't fair that Previn got an Oscar for what was more adaptation that actual composition. But let's not go off on that tangent! Back to "The Miracle" and Elmer Bernstein.

[My mistake was later corrected -- as I had suspected, Previn's Oscar was for adaptation -- of Harold Rome's original music. Sorry about that.]

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   jkrukones   (Member)

Previn's Oscar for "Irma La Douce" was, in fact, for adaptation. The original score Oscar that year went to John Addison for "Tom Jones."

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


"Yee-Haw" !!! Just got my email. It's on it's way. Can't wait ! big grin

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

To: jkrukones:

Thanks! I had this nagging suspicion that Previn's Oscar was for Adaptation and appreciate your confirmation that I had gotten it wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2013 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

"Yee-Haw" !!! Just got my email. It's on it's way. Can't wait ! big grin

I expect that mine might arrive tomorrow - a holy grail will be in my trembling hand.

BTW maybe a thread about FANNY should be seperate ..

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2013 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Having played it a couple of times, it's definitely spectacular, in a similar style to The Ten Commandments and The Buccaneer.
But when I say style, it seems to be styled more on the conventional epic scoring of the day, like the works of Victor Young or even Steiner, than around the voice we instantly recognize as Bernstein that was apparently still developing.
This score is BIG and if it has any drawback, it's that it doesn't provide a lot of room for subtlety – power and grand scale is the order of the day. And in that respect, it's thrilling.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2013 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

"Yee-Haw" !!! Just got my email. It's on it's way. Can't wait ! big grin

I expect that mine might arrive tomorrow - a holy grail will be in my trembling hand.

BTW maybe a thread about FANNY should be seperate ..


I was wrong - it arrived today - thank you Intarda - prayers are answered -

it is amazing -- I see Lukas Kendall is one of the producers , too - what a godsend this young man has been to lovers of film music -- Thank you, Lukas!

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2013 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Am I the only one who played the 5 samples and couldn't get into it? Obviously there's far more than those 1-minute excerpts of each, but (and puleeeeeeeze forgive me) I didn't hear anything I wasn't glad when it ended. And I'm -- usually! -- a huge Elmer Bernstein fan.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2013 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Am I the only one who played the 5 samples and couldn't get into it?




Are you asking people who didn't like the clips to come here and say so?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

Am I the only one who played the 5 samples and couldn't get into it?




Are you asking people who didn't like the clips to come here and say so?


I'm not normally a big Bernstein fan (yes, yes I know, I'm crazy). While I acknowledge that he's a very gifted composer, his scores tend to leave me a bit cold. The Miracle sounds fabulous to me. So maybe it's a different sound that doesn't appeal as much to fans that are used to how his scores conventionally sound.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Am I the only one who played the 5 samples and couldn't get into it? Obviously there's far more than those 1-minute excerpts of each, but (and puleeeeeeeze forgive me) I didn't hear anything I wasn't glad when it ended. And I'm -- usually! -- a huge Elmer Bernstein fan.

I'm with you. It might be a fantastic score like a number of people are saying here but if it doesn't come through in the samples then I won't buy it. It sounds a bit too typical of the golden age epic sound without what I tend to enjoy from Bernstein.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2013 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Am I the only one who played the 5 samples and couldn't get into it? Obviously there's far more than those 1-minute excerpts of each, but (and puleeeeeeeze forgive me) I didn't hear anything I wasn't glad when it ended. And I'm -- usually! -- a huge Elmer Bernstein fan.

The "Play all clips" link on the Intrada site actually has eleven (11) samples that play sequentially.

Perhaps you don't like the "power and grand scale" (as Basil aptly puts it) of the score, in which case avoid the forthcoming "The Ten Commandments" release.

Sometimes the ear doesn't want to listen to what it hears depending upon on one's mood or frame of mind. Try listening afresh to the samples at another time of the day. Give it three fair chances before you call it an out.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2013 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I enjoyed the samples very much, but then I was always a big Elmer fan and I never heard any music from him that I disliked.

 
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