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 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Easy

TMP

The only reason it lost was because Bruce Kimmel was shilling copies of A Little Romance all over town that year, giving copies away to pimp the picture and the score. At least that is what I heard.


Solium is correct though, that the Oscars have gradually proven themselves almost irrelevant, except for the person that puts that thing on the mantel at home. Tons of Oscars have been given to people in all categories that did not deserve it. Best Film each year is rarely the best film, same for score, performance - on and on.

Fortunately winning an Oscar has also proven to have little or no positive impact on the career of these people. There are as many cases of people getting the award and dropping of the map as people doing well.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

Which Oscar decision were you more disappointed with?

Star Trek: The Motion Picture not getting the Best Score Oscar
OR
The Mission not getting the Best Score Oscar


I would have to go with THE MISSION and HOOSIERS losing to 'ROUND MIDNIGHT in 1986. I was too young to know about these at the time, but the information was pasted on by my father who stopped watching or caring about the Oscars. I have seen THE MISSION and HOOSIERS multiple times and 'ROUND MIDNIGHT a few times and do not see how the Oscar voters got this year completely wrong! I have watched the Oscars a few times and I am always disappointed in the original score category.

Kim Tong

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

My wife could usually not care less about movie music. She mutters under her breath about “not winning an Oscar” almost any time she hears How to Train Your Dragon.

TMP and Superman are biggies on my list. Few seem to be fans of the scores that beat them. What do folks think of Chariots of Fire? (Beating Raiders of the Lost Ark, Dragonslayer, On Golden Pond, and Ragtime – Yikes, what a year!)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

My wife could usually not care less about movie music. She mutters under her breath about “not winning an Oscar” almost any time she hears How to Train Your Dragon.

TMP and Superman are biggies on my list. Few seem to be fans of the scores that beat them. What do folks think of Chariots of Fire? (Beating Raiders of the Lost Ark, Dragonslayer, On Golden Pond, and Ragtime – Yikes, what a year!)


Yes, that was another bad year. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, DRAGONSLAYER or ON GOLDEN POND should have won.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

See, Other Tall Guy? That's my point! I didn't know that CHARIOTS OF FIRE beat RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK! And here's me sitting around for 30 years believing that the Williams score was actually the better one. Duh!

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

The Empire Strikes Back for me!

Oh wait.....well definitely Star Trek The Motion Picture.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Remember when Disney (mostly Menken) won five Oscars almost in a row? (Bruce Boughton was unworthy?) But somehow out of Star Wars, Superman, 1941, The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and E.T. (add in Return of the Jedi if you wish) Williams only got two.

Really, what an astonishing run!

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Remember when Disney (mostly Menken) won five Oscars almost in a row? (Bruce Boughton was unworthy?) But somehow out of Star Wars, Superman, 1941, The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and E.T. (add in Return of the Jedi if you wish) Williams only got two.

Really, what an astonishing run!


Ironically, there were so many better scores in 1982. But yeah Williams should have won for those others.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Easy

TMP

The only reason it lost was because Bruce Kimmel was shilling copies of A Little Romance all over town that year, giving copies away to pimp the picture and the score. At least that is what I heard.


Solium is correct though, that the Oscars have gradually proven themselves almost irrelevant, except for the person that puts that thing on the mantel at home. Tons of Oscars have been given to people in all categories that did not deserve it. Best Film each year is rarely the best film, same for score, performance - on and on.

Fortunately winning an Oscar has also proven to have little or no positive impact on the career of these people. There are as many cases of people getting the award and dropping of the map as people doing well.


Well, that's an obnoxious way to put it. It was an album I brought to Varese and it was my suggestion to send copies to the music branch of the Academy (at a time that wasn't being done that much) and then, after it was nominated, to the regular members. Varese did the sending and it had nothing to do with the picture and everything to do with the score. It worked, by the way, so there's that.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Well, that's an obnoxious way to put it.

Agreed.

I'd say it's a lot easier to pinpoint why a score won than to say that another score would have won otherwise. Who’s to say 10 or The Amityville Horror wouldn’t have won if A Little Romance hadn't?

Heck, I’d say that other than Star Trek: The Next Generation re-using the TMP theme the only music from that batch that might survive in the general public consciousness MIGHT be Bolero! For reasons that have little to do with the music, of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Well, - "hundreds of copies" sounds pretty pushy to me.

http://www.haineshisway.com/2013/05/THE-REAL-HISTORY-OF-VARESE-SARABANDE/

"One day, I went into Chris and told him to send LPs to every member of the music branch of the Academy. Such things were not the norm back then, but I felt strongly about it – he balked, he argued, I was relentless, and he did it. And the film got nominated for Best Score. It was a Varese first. And then I told him to send hundreds of more copies to the general Academy membership. He balked, he argued, I was relentless, and he did it. And so, in a year that included amongst the Best Score nominees Jerry Goldsmith for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, A Little Romance, despite having half its music by Vivaldi, won Georges Delerue the Oscar for Best Score."

But cheers on that anyway Bruce, I know it is a pushy town - to say the least.

I bet at least half of the people that listened to that at the time, (and many did not I am sure) thought the Vivaldi was original score.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I haven't heard the winning score at all. Maybe that's because I haven't seen the movie yet!

As for TMP, there's alot of ingenuity in that score. But then again, same goes for The Black Hole. I think the blaster beam sits well in TMP. If blending it in symphonically - landmark style - doesn't rate, what the heck do I know?

But I have to thank you for deciding which movie to take home with me tonight.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Well, - "hundreds of copies" sounds pretty pushy to me.

http://www.haineshisway.com/2013/05/THE-REAL-HISTORY-OF-VARESE-SARABANDE/

"One day, I went into Chris and told him to send LPs to every member of the music branch of the Academy. Such things were not the norm back then, but I felt strongly about it – he balked, he argued, I was relentless, and he did it. And the film got nominated for Best Score. It was a Varese first. And then I told him to send hundreds of more copies to the general Academy membership. He balked, he argued, I was relentless, and he did it. And so, in a year that included amongst the Best Score nominees Jerry Goldsmith for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, A Little Romance, despite having half its music by Vivaldi, won Georges Delerue the Oscar for Best Score."

But cheers on that anyway Bruce, I know it is a pushy town - to say the least.

I bet at least half of the people that listened to that at the time, (and many did not I am sure) thought the Vivaldi was original score.


It was an interesting experiment but "pimping" is an obnoxious phrase to use. As you know, today it happens with every score, so apparently today every composer and studio is a pimp. And I didn't personally send anything - I just suggested and happily for Mr. Delerue and Varese it worked. Then again, maybe the Academy also liked the score. Where you're somewhat correct is that today it probably couldn't even get nominated.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

My ultimate (if not vengeful) dream is to wield enough power and prestige to have these two non-original scores disqualified and have the Oscars rescinded and awarded to the next in line....OH MY GOD, what if #2 in '79 wasn't Goldsmith and '86 wasn't Morricone! What have I done!

Something to consider anyways.

PS, no hard feelings Bruce, I love the Poltergeist II CD!

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

My ultimate (if not vengeful) dream is to wield enough power and prestige to have these two non-original scores disqualified !

What in the world are you taking about? Delerue's score is very original.

The only Vivaldi in the score, which is credited, is the opening of the second movement of the guitar concerto.

That's it!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

My ultimate (if not vengeful) dream is to wield enough power and prestige to have these two non-original scores disqualified !

What in the world are you taking about? Delerue's score is very original.

The only Vivaldi in the score, which is credited, is the opening of the second movement of the guitar concerto.

That's it!


This is what I really don't like about these threads, it just engenders bad feelings and riles people up. I was sure riled up in 1980 when the Awards ceremony was aired, nearly put a foot through my television...but then again I was 14! I'm over it now

I said what I said. Maybe you should read it again. Haven't you ever seen the Star Trek episode City On The Edge Of Forever?---the dangers of changing history! Sheeesh!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Was Goldsmith nominated for MULAN? If so it was probably the first time a Disney Movie was nominated but didn't win. I guess you have to be Alan Menken to get a Disney Score award?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Well, - "hundreds of copies" sounds pretty pushy to me.

http://www.haineshisway.com/2013/05/THE-REAL-HISTORY-OF-VARESE-SARABANDE/

"One day, I went into Chris and told him to send LPs to every member of the music branch of the Academy. Such things were not the norm back then, but I felt strongly about it – he balked, he argued, I was relentless, and he did it. And the film got nominated for Best Score. It was a Varese first. And then I told him to send hundreds of more copies to the general Academy membership. He balked, he argued, I was relentless, and he did it. And so, in a year that included amongst the Best Score nominees Jerry Goldsmith for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, A Little Romance, despite having half its music by Vivaldi, won Georges Delerue the Oscar for Best Score."

But cheers on that anyway Bruce, I know it is a pushy town - to say the least.

I bet at least half of the people that listened to that at the time, (and many did not I am sure) thought the Vivaldi was original score.


It was an interesting experiment but "pimping" is an obnoxious phrase to use. As you know, today it happens with every score, so apparently today every composer and studio is a pimp. And I didn't personally send anything - I just suggested and happily for Mr. Delerue and Varese it worked. Then again, maybe the Academy also liked the score. Where you're somewhat correct is that today it probably couldn't even get nominated.


Bruce, so pimping was unnecessarily derogatory. Certainly I was using the best non-sexual version of that word, like marketing is. In any case, sorry about that. But I think it is surely true that without the hundreds of copies sent out TMP probably would have one. So you did your job well.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2013 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Was Goldsmith nominated for MULAN? If so it was probably the first time a Disney Movie was nominated but didn't win. I guess you have to be Alan Menken to get a Disney Score award?

If memory serves, as soon as they split out "musicals and comedies" aka The Disney Category Disney has not won since. Ironic, eh?

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

Which Oscar decision were you more disappointed with?

Star Trek: The Motion Picture not getting the Best Score Oscar
OR
The Mission not getting the Best Score Oscar




STAR TREK.

Without question, the greatest film score Oscar oversight ever. STAR TREK, one of the most intricate and epic orchestral scores of all time, lost to A LITTLE ROMANCE, which is only perfunctory Delerue.

Delerue had a ton a great music that never garnered a nomination, thus the need to fill the void perhaps with a 'lifetime achievment" Oscar for this score. But not over STAR TREK!

Same could be said of Morricone. Perhaps with THE MISSION nomination here. Good score, but there was a multitude of great Morricone prior to that which went un-nominated.

And, as previously mentioned, FORREST GUMP got robbed, too.



SCOTT

 
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