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 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

For me, the performance/synth inclusion is a flaw, but musically this score is perfect and I love every second of it. I would eagerly buy a two disc set if there were enough alternates or unused music, and would love a remastered 1 CD version in chronological order (with repeat taken out) if not...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

"Lionheart" may be the greatest score ever written for a god awful bad movie. Goldsmith was noted for writing great music for bad movies.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I don't know if there is any music from the film not represented on the two original albums, though.

There was a single, short percussion cue as Gabriel Byrne rides into his camp. Beyond that the two discs have plenty of music that was cut from the film, including the first half of The Future. I've always wondered if there were alternates.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Definitely a grail for me. One of Jerry´s most glorious main themes.

Please a complete re-issue, remastered (and if possible expanded)!

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2014 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

"Lionheart" may be the greatest score ever written for a god awful bad movie. Goldsmith was noted for writing great music for bad movies.

Inchon?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

"Lionheart" may be the greatest score ever written for a god awful bad movie. Goldsmith was noted for writing great music for bad movies.

Inchon?

Yavar



Nope. big grin Inchon is a good score yes for a wretched movie, but Lionheart trumps it at every turn. It has been mentioned several times that Goldsmith took a romantic turn beginning with Star Trek TMP - this may be the pinnacle of that style. Here Goldsmith uses leitmotif to perfection, in a way he never really had before, or to this degree, afterwards. The music just flows, as if he really had a good film to work from, something with real emotion. After Total Recall he went through a ( often criticized ) period of less complex writing, and although this score has that same direct, less "busy" feel, it has a wealth of romanticism that those later "lighter" works didn't .

I'd put it above Inchon, and as much as I love those dense scores, the deceptive simplicity of the music here is beautiful and beautifully realized.

A masterwork from the master big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2014 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   jeff1   (Member)

I re-watched "Lionheart" recently and I don't think it's as bad a movie as most would have you believe. They had a pretty good script with some interesting characters (Gabriel Byrne's black prince in particular), unfortunately it feels like major scenes were removed or trimmed - Robert's disgrace and the motivations for his crusade are really unclear. There's also some lazy direction and a truly awful supporting cast of child actors. The score really works overtime here - providing the mood and emotion the actors seem incapable of expressing. Goldsmith was one of the few who could elevate otherwise bad material like this into something watchable.

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2014 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   Adam Cousins   (Member)

I've never seen the film but used to play my vinyl copies of volumes 1 & 2 a lot!

Finally got round to picking it up on CD today via the gift of Amazon Prime. Oddly enough the cheapest way of getting all of the released music was to get "The Epic Symphonic Score" CD and the Volume 2 CD. Prices for volume 1 are ridiculous!

Forgot how truly magnificent this score is - Goldsmith at the absolute top of his game. If you haven't heard it you're missing out big time!

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2014 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   LEONCIO   (Member)

the movie is an absolute hogwash. When the producers saw the end result, decided to distribute only in the video market.

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2014 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

A wonderful musical feast for the Franklin J. Schaffner/Jerry Goldsmith collaboration finale.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 3:18 AM   
 By:   Brianmcb   (Member)

For me, the performance/synth inclusion is a flaw, but musically this score is perfect and I love every second of it. I would eagerly buy a two disc set if there were enough alternates or unused music, and would love a remastered 1 CD version in chronological order (with repeat taken out) if not...

Yavar


I do agree with this sentiment, hence why I would not favor the DE treatment. I wonder what people would think of having this score re-recorded without the synths?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I remember when there was a chance for Tadlow to record this one, but they went with doing Thriller instead. It's too bad, since this one could definitely use a re-recording. The original soundtrack recording wasn't as good as it could have been, due to the orchestra. Kind of like the Conan score.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I remember when there was a chance for Tadlow to record this one, but they went with doing Thriller instead. It's too bad, since this one could definitely use a re-recording. The original soundtrack recording wasn't as good as it could have been, due to the orchestra. Kind of like the Conan score.

-Rick O.


I was unaware of that, thanks. What a pity Tadlow never went through with it. Jame Fitz will you think of doing Lionheart? I'm sure the funds would come pretty easily via Kickstarter!

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I remember when there was a chance for Tadlow to record this one, but they went with doing Thriller instead. It's too bad, since this one could definitely use a re-recording. The original soundtrack recording wasn't as good as it could have been, due to the orchestra. Kind of like the Conan score.

-Rick O.


I was unaware of that, thanks. What a pity Tadlow never went through with it. Jame Fitz will you think of doing Lionheart? I'm sure the funds would come pretty easily via Kickstarter!


With the success of KoK via Kickstarter, it would be great some stage if Jame Fitz decided to consider again re-recording this great score via fundraising.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   PatrickB   (Member)

I wait for longtime a CD reissue by Varese.
I do prefer the orginal recordings, when they are available, like in this case, even with its defects.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



I happened to have this on earlier when one of my son's friends came over to visit my son. He stopped and listened intently to the remainder of "The Ceremony" and stopped again when he heard "Children in Bondage". He was hooked. I ended up playing the entire score for him. We then got into a long discussion about film music and I was amazed to hear how knowledgeable he has become. He named several contemporary composers and a few older ones. He is particularly interested in the working relationship between certain writers/directors and composers.

He is the young man who accompanied us to Tanglewood last summer and he wants to go again this year. It is so refreshing to talk to someone so young and so eager to discover a different genre of music. I offered to share some scores with him that I thought he might enjoy. He took me up on it.

"I think I'm quite ready for another adventure."

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

For me, the performance/synth inclusion is a flaw, but musically this score is perfect and I love every second of it. I would eagerly buy a two disc set if there were enough alternates or unused music, and would love a remastered 1 CD version in chronological order (with repeat taken out) if not...

Yavar


I do agree with this sentiment, hence why I would not favor the DE treatment. I wonder what people would think of having this score re-recorded without the synths?


I think the synths are integral part of the score; agreed, the performance of the orchestra is not as high-end polished as, say, the National Philharmonic Orchestra or the London Symphony Orchestra, but I don't understand any hesitations concerning the electronics. That's like saying record this score again, but remove all the flutes. Or remove all the drums. The synths are an instrument Goldsmith decided should be in there, and I think they should be in there.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2018 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

Is there any new information concerning a possible re-recording?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2018 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2018 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

Love it, but man, would've been so much better with a London or Hollywood orchestra. I can see why Goldsmith stopped recording in Hungary, even with the money it saved. The orchestra was uninspired, and he could never quite get the orchestra/synth mix to sound natural and balanced.

Oddly enough, they did a pretty good job with King Solomon's Mines, a score that was far busier (and, I assume, more difficult from a musician's perspective) than the others. The sound was excessively bright and shrill (all of those recordings were rough), but they kept up with the notes, at least. People dress better for a first date than they do after a few years of marriage, I guess.

 
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