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 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I'm really torn. I honestly love both, and I think I'd be thrilled if some future cut of the movie (since it seems at this point that it'll forever be subject to further revision anyway) found some elegant way to meld them together.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I'm really torn. I honestly love both, and I think I'd be thrilled if some future cut of the movie (since it seems at this point that it'll forever be subject to further revision anyway)...

Actually, now that Lucasfilm and its satellite organizations are a subsidiary of Disney, chances are better than ever that "quality control" will step in to promote the original edits over any of the later ones.

(Keep in mind though, Star Wars has been re-edited numerous times, starting in 1978 - so your mileage may vary)

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Moviedrone   (Member)


(Keep in mind though, Star Wars has been re-edited numerous times, starting in 1978 - so your mileage may vary)


Hehe. mixing bowls would be small fry compared to this:

"DISNEY IS PROUD TO PRESENT THE DEFINITIVE ORIGINAL VERSION OF STAR WARS"

"But it's missing crucial sound effects! There should be four laser blast sounds when Gold Leader is starting his run, not two!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Much prefer the Special Edition. Can't stand the Tarzan Ewoks music.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Neither. I prefer the scores to STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Williams was obviously running out of gas for this series by 1983. Aside from the cues where the Rebel fighters engage the Death Star II and Vader takes Luke before the Emperor, this score was mailed in.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Aside from the cues where the Rebel fighters engage the Death Star II and Vader takes Luke before the Emperor, this score was mailed in.

I'd put a lot of blame on the director, who was most definitely overwhelmed by the project.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Moviedrone   (Member)

I'd be surprised if Marquand ever even met Williams.

Personally, I think it's just as great as its predecessors, and probably a bigger feat considering some parts of the film.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Neither. I prefer the scores to STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Williams was obviously running out of gas for this series by 1983. Aside from the cues where the Rebel fighters engage the Death Star II and Vader takes Luke before the Emperor, this score was mailed in.

I wish every composer could be as out of gas. Jabba's theme, the final duel, the Emperor's arrival. I agree, I like Empire and Star Wars better. But boy that's some impressive mail.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I'm really torn. I honestly love both, and I think I'd be thrilled if some future cut of the movie (since it seems at this point that it'll forever be subject to further revision anyway)...

Actually, now that Lucasfilm and its satellite organizations are a subsidiary of Disney, chances are better than ever that "quality control" will step in to promote the original edits over any of the later ones.

(Keep in mind though, Star Wars has been re-edited numerous times, starting in 1978 - so your mileage may vary)


I believe I read when the deal was struck that the original Star Wars movies are still owned for distribution by 20th Century Fox - not that the distribution company matters, because Lucas was the one pooh-poohing the release of the unaltered versions.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I believe I read when the deal was struck that the original Star Wars movies are still owned for distribution by 20th Century Fox

FOX owns Episode IV. The rest were independently funded by Lucas and only released through Fox.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2013 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Actually, that's just made me think. Will 20th C. Fox be involved with the basic presentation of the releases of 7, 8 & 9?

I ask, because it'll be a bit weird not having the Fox Fanfare with Cinemascope Extension at the beginning.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Actually, that's just made me think. Will 20th C. Fox be involved with the basic presentation of the releases of 7, 8 & 9?

I ask, because it'll be a bit weird not having the Fox Fanfare with Cinemascope Extension at the beginning.


Not a snowball's chance at Walt Disney World. We'll be hearing "When You Wish Upon a Star" before the Star Wars theme from now until the end of time.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Actually, that's just made me think. Will 20th C. Fox be involved with the basic presentation of the releases of 7, 8 & 9?

I ask, because it'll be a bit weird not having the Fox Fanfare with Cinemascope Extension at the beginning.


There will be money exchanged. Fox will get a cut of something.

As to their name on the top of the film? Thats a good question...

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

Neither. I prefer the scores to STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Williams was obviously running out of gas for this series by 1983. Aside from the cues where the Rebel fighters engage the Death Star II and Vader takes Luke before the Emperor, this score was mailed in.

I wish every composer could be as out of gas. Jabba's theme, the final duel, the Emperor's arrival. I agree, I like Empire and Star Wars better. But boy that's some impressive mail.


Agreed. Just to add to your list, I also love Into the Trap, the music accompanying the Rancor fight, the Sarlacc Pit battle music, Luke and Leia, the music for Darth Vader's death, and the funeral pyre music. Parade of the Ewoks is a great piece as well.

Back to the topic, I never cared for the Ewok song at all, even when I was much younger, so I much prefer the Special Edition music. On the other hand, I prefer "Lapti Nek" over the dreadful song used in the Special Edition. Was that Jedi Rocks? Uggh. Anyway, it is a pity the version of Lapti Nek used in the film isn't available on cd. Similarly, I would love the music played by the keyboardist as Chewie is being lead away, and the slower version played as Jabba and company are flying to the Sarlacc Pit.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Jedi Rocks is also remarkable for being the only piece of music in the Star Wars franchise (to this date) not composed by Williams. Obviously if you get into Clone Wars, Droids, Ewoks, etc, that changes, but in the canon movie series, it's just Jedi Rocks

From what I've heard many years ago (and who knows where this came from originally or even if it's accurate) the remainder of the Jabba source music is lost (or was lost at the time of the SE releases).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

Neither. I prefer the scores to STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Williams was obviously running out of gas for this series by 1983. Aside from the cues where the Rebel fighters engage the Death Star II and Vader takes Luke before the Emperor, this score was mailed in.

I wish every composer could be as out of gas. Jabba's theme, the final duel, the Emperor's arrival. I agree, I like Empire and Star Wars better. But boy that's some impressive mail.


Agreed. Just to add to your list, I also love Into the Trap, the music accompanying the Rancor fight, the Sarlacc Pit battle music, Luke and Leia, the music for Darth Vader's death, and the funeral pyre music. Parade of the Ewoks is a great piece as well.

Back to the topic, I never cared for the Ewok song at all, even when I was much younger, so I much prefer the Special Edition music. On the other hand, I prefer "Lapti Nek" over the dreadful song used in the Special Edition. Was that Jedi Rocks? Uggh. Anyway, it is a pity the version of Lapti Nek used in the film isn't available on cd. Similarly, I would love the music played by the keyboardist as Chewie is being lead away, and the slower version played as Jabba and company are flying to the Sarlacc Pit.


I always point to "Lapti Nek" as proof that I can love essentially anything John Williams does. Heaven help me, I adore that ridiculous piece of music. I didn't realize the film version was so very different from what made it to the soundtrack recording.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

From what I've heard many years ago (and who knows where this came from originally or even if it's accurate) the remainder of the Jabba source music is lost (or was lost at the time of the SE releases).

I've heard similar, which seems to be the case considering every Star Wars game has only used the two cantina songs from Episode IV and never the Skiff source music.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I always felt the original ending to Jedi lacked scope, from the "contained on planet" feeling to "Lub Dub." With the focus shifted to the entire galaxy and the redone music, I actually felt these two changes improved what I considered a pretty lame ending to a huge trilogy. The 1997 Special Edition of Jedi is my favorite cut of this film. However, the later changes were definitely overkill and worthless to me.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2013 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I was mostly okay with the Ewok Celebration cue back in the day, but could easily have done without it as well. I really enjoyed Charles Gerhardt's orchestral-only version on his highlights album from '83. And with the Special Edition, I happened to also really enjoy that new piece of music by Williams. I liked the fact that it was an all-new piece of music heralding what essentially is a galaxy being reborn into what will hopefully be new and better than the 20+ years of tyranny by the Emperor.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2013 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   c3p007   (Member)

The new celebration music is a variation of Luke and Leia's theme. It's not very hard to spot, the clue is in the first few notes of the melody and the phrasing.

 
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