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 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

Pops, ticks, scratches, sludge, dirt, off-center pressings, inner-groove distortion, pre- and post-echo, warping, limited dynamics, repeated trips to exchange defective discs . . .

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddd, you have to get up to turn the darn thing over to play side 2. And they wear out and start to sound muddy after alot of play. Yeah, LP's sure were fun LOL.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

The one LP thing that is unsurpassed is artwork presentation. Not just the bigger size, also the fact that the artwork was right on the surface and not impaired by being in a plastic case.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Pops, ticks, scratches, sludge, dirt, off-center pressings, inner-groove distortion, pre- and post-echo, warping, limited dynamics, repeated trips to exchange defective discs . . .

If you don't take care of your CDs, they won't play well either.

And the limited dynamics were actually a GOOD thing. I can't tell you how many classical/orchestral/film CDs I own with dynamics so exaggerated you literally can't find an ideal level to play them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I still play my LPs!

I just play the LP to Days of Heaven, and am looking forward to the FSM 2 CD set!

LPs had great (and large) art work.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

LP's were wonderful for huge and lovely artwork. I sometimes buy them only for the artwork. There´s just more space for it. The same was valid for Laserdisc. A friend of mine had a nice bunch of special editions from Disney made for the market in the States. Lovely, lovely design! Here in Germany we only got and get editions mainly aimed at kids... boring in comparison.

But ultimately the content is what counts and that is were LP's sucked - and still suck - so badly. I hate the constant noise, pops, crackle, problems so much... for years I asked myself if my turntable was badly aligned. So finally I bought a new system for the tonearm, cleaned all the parts, configured it perfectly (to utter perfection mind you). It was better but still not good enough, even with new LP's. Some pops and crackles still prevail, even if I clean the LP's thoroughly. For me the LP's is dead for quite some time now. There really are no advantages to digital systems.

I wrote an article about that here if you´re interested:
http://www.soundtrackforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=220


I enjoyed reading your article, Marlene, and, as someone who grew up on vinyl LPs and suffered all the faults (including warped discs ... no matter how much I adjusted the counter-balance the arm still jumped!) I much prefer CDs.

That said, I've heard/read time and again that the vinyl sound is better than the CD/digital sound at the high-end ... i.e. a top-end deck, etc. I've not had the chance to hear such equipment and long ago decided CDs (now streaming) is the way forward.

But one issue which I don't think you covered (I apologise if I missed it) is that of the DAC: if the CD user is listening with inferior equipment then the vinyl sound will likely sound better simply because the conversion of the digital signal to the analogue sound has corrupted the recording.

The signal reader (i.e. CD transport) is only part of the equation: given a fixed sound environment (i.e. the amplifier (pre/power), interconnects, speakers, remain the same) then the DAC is all-important and a basic CD transport with internal DAC isn't going to do justice to the collector's library of CDs. That said, a high-end DAC is of little use in a cheap hi-fi set-up. Getting the balance right is all-important.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)

"...Major...you've got me about as confused as I'll ever be...!! "


Musicmad, you went and got technical with me, didnt you!!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

"...Major...you've got me about as confused as I'll ever be...!! "


Musicmad, you went and got technical with me, didnt you!!!



I'm assuming that Where Eagles Dare is another of your favourite films Bill.

My copy of this fine Ron Goodwin LP came with a ready to assemble Cable Car model, ahh! those were the days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)

Cable car? Lucky you. I got a model of the castle with my LP and a school bus with a snow plough on the front!

Had both the stereo english LP with B/W pic of schloss adler on front and also the american colour cover with eastwood and burton on the front.


 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

"...Major...you've got me about as confused as I'll ever be...!! "

Musicmad, you went and got technical with me, didnt you!!!


Sorry, but ... what's technical? If you mean DAC ... digital to analogue convertor. Every digital signal needs to be converted to analogue as we can't hear digital sounds. The vinyl/analogue tape systems need no conversion (though some recordings, such as the OST The Black Hole recorded digitally needed conversion in order to be released on LP) but any digital transport has to either (a) have an internal DAC or (b) be connected to an external DAC (which may be an internal part of the amplifier).

How do you connect your CD player to your amp ... digital or analogue out?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)

I play my CDs on the car stereo, Musicmad, most of the time.
And I also import them to my itunes library and then play on my ipod.
I do have a monster technics system with separate decks but it hasnt been used for about 10 years. Sorry to be such a technical phillistine. I am a lost cause!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I play my CDs on the car stereo, Musicmad, most of the time.
And I also import them to my itunes library and then play on my ipod.
I do have a monster technics system with separate decks but it hasnt been used for about 10 years. Sorry to be such a technical phillistine. I am a lost cause!


Hi, no apologies necessary ... I'm no expert (e.g. I bought an integrated hi-fi amp which turned out to be too powerful for my speakers ... so I had to buy new speakers!) and I've learnt only from experience. I do know that the sound I get from my home hi-fi is far better now than ever before ...

Your car stereo will have an internal DAC (as will a portable CD player) and so will your iPod. If you get the chance, try playing your iPod through an amplifier which has a dedicated digital input ... this will cut the iPod's own DAC out of the circuit.

But: only do this if you're willing to invest in higher-quality hardware. If you are happy with your existing sound system then leave it be as once you've heard better you will want to upgrade ... a route to financial ruin!

I know that there is a lot of criticism of iPods/mp3 players from the hi-fi community and some of this is aimed not so much at the compression of the recording but at the conversion (DAC) back to analogue. Reading the signal (the laser bit) is easy ... converting those 0s and 1s to a signal which can be transported to a loudspeaker with minimal deterioration is the complicated part!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Bromhead   (Member)

Yer i remember LP's alright...............i remember the crackle the distortion the skips the jumps and the scratches..............bloody awful things...spent a small fortune on them between 1977 and 1984-5...................best thing about them was the artwork.I put them in plastic sleeves and pinned them to my bedroom wall.Looked great.................... :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Had both the stereo english LP with B/W pic of schloss adler on front and also the american colour cover with eastwood and burton on the front.



 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Cable car? Lucky you. I got a model of the castle with my LP and a school bus with a snow plough on the front!

Had both the stereo english LP with B/W pic of schloss adler on front and also the american colour cover with eastwood and burton on the front.


I had the English release, the FSM release of the entire score went straight to No 1 in our house,

It's still one of my favourite film scores, I even bought "Shoes of the Fisherman" so that I could get the album version of Where Eagles Dare, which is on the 2nd disc.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)



Why do Eastwood and Burton have fish bowls on their heads?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...
It's still one of my favourite film scores, I even bought "Shoes of the Fisherman" so that I could get the album version of Where Eagles Dare, which is on the 2nd disc.


Me, too!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2011 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)



Why do Eastwood and Burton have fish bowls on their heads?


big grin

More importantly, why is the camera shot across Miss Pitt's attire décolleté ....?

Because surely we OST fans buy the albums for the music? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2011 - 12:04 AM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)

Thanks Musicmad - if I lived somewhere big enough and desolate enough for a big system, I would invest and play loud. But I understand what you mean - when you start down an upgrade road its never ending cost. As a kid, I always took the view spending money on improving stereo took away money I couldve spent on soundtrack LPs!

And when you've spent a chunk of life listening to recordings made in the cinema, with coughs and seat bangs, and humming and whistling off the old tellies, anything that is clean and clear - mono or otherwise - sounds fine!!

Cheers Bob for posting those - its always been an interesting comparison, those two versions. Probably one of the more striking differences between a US release and a UK one. Probably as different as Two Mules for sister sara! If people can be bothered, it might make an interesting thread - US LP releases up against other european versions. Plenty of variety there over the years. (mind you, maybe we've had one)

Chris - it was a strange picture to choose for the US one given they could've used any action image from the film. I liked it because it was so different from the castle version I'd seen.
Perhaps Burton and Eastwood got extra money for posing with fishbowls? Although I hear there was some late night drinking going on after filming!
Or, of course, it could just be two white circles drawn by an artist to show that in this picture, these two germans mixing with other alpine korps are in fact ...spies.
damn, another spoiler.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2011 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)



Why do Eastwood and Burton have fish bowls on their heads?

More importantly, why is the camera shot across Miss Pitt's attire décolleté ....?

Because surely we OST fans buy the albums for the music? smile


I suspect Richard is thinking: "I wonder if I can get Ingrid to my room before Elizabeth turns up on set later waving her engagement ring...."

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2011 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Or, of course, it could just be two white circles drawn by an artist to show that in this picture, these two germans mixing with other alpine korps are in fact ...spies.
damn, another spoiler.


Damn it Miguel, now you've gone and ruined the whole film for me big grin

 
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