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 Posted:   Jul 8, 2007 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

I never had an issue with the sound either. And isn't there only like 10 minutes of similar music missing (IIRC, there's another statement of the waltz, for instance)?

-Joshua


I agree that most of the best moments are on the CD, but there's more than 10 minutes of material left off the album. Not all of it would sound great on a CD (the low-piano rumbling for the scenes with Napier and Eckhardt are best left in the film), but a few unreleased cues would certainly compliment a new album. The gentle rendition of the Batman Theme as Bruce Wayne spies on his guests with his security cameras, the furious crescendo as the camera pulls up on Grisam's penthouse, the fantastic blast of the Batman theme as Batman leaps into the museum to save Vicky Vale, and that great romantic rendition of the Batman theme over that long shot as the Batplane enters Gotham - all these would make excellent additions. But I can live without them, and I actually like the concert-hall asthetic of the album more than the harsh film recording. In terms of Elfman scores, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Mars Attacks!, and A Simple Plan suffer from poor releases far more than Batman. Not to mention, as others have pointed out, the many many Golden Age and Silver Age masterpieces yet to see the light of day.

Pedestrian Wolf

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2007 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

wow, what's left off of A Simple Plan?

I love that score, but can't remember anything from the film that didn't make it to CD? the "Death" cue is a great cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I was going to post my usual "the album is perfect the way it is" comment, but I see that - for once - everyone but the topic starter agrees with me on this, so no need to point it out. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Thor!razz

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

BATMAN (1989) - Never reissued, why?

Its quite simple really. The original issue is still in print and still sells well....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

Maybe as a punishment for being a bad film and getting worse from there on until Batman as a movie concept was redeemed by "Batman begins".

Kind regards.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   Eric Sandstrom   (Member)

Maybe as a punishment for being a bad film and getting worse from there on until Batman as a movie concept was redeemed by "Batman begins".

And yet, Batman ('89) made 50 million more than Batman Beings, I believe.

And also, they didn't mispronounce the main villains name, as Batman Begins did with Râ's al Ghûl. So maybe Batman ('89) isn't all that bad.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

And also, they didn't mispronounce the main villains name, as Batman Begins did with Râ's al Ghûl.

You know, that drove me nuts. I grew up on the Animated Series, where the character was (deliciously) played by David Warner, and they always pronounced his name right in that. Why not in a major motion picture? frown

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)



You know, that drove me nuts. I grew up on the Animated Series, where the character was (deliciously) played by David Warner, and they always pronounced his name right in that. Why not in a major motion picture? frown


Hell, I grew up in the early 70's, when all this glorious material was being presented before our eyes in the COMIC BOOKS.

The movie, cartoon series etc. were scarcely a DREAM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 11:25 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

wow, what's left off of A Simple Plan?

I love that score, but can't remember anything from the film that didn't make it to CD? the "Death" cue is a great cue.



The missing material is really more of an issue of quality than quantity. The scene where [SPOILER] Bill Paxton murders the farmer to protect his brother has one of the single finest musical portraits of psychological turmoil ever written for a movie. It's just as powerful as anything written by North or Herrmann. Without that music, the movie would be lost at that point - we'd be so horrified by the main character that we'd divorce ourselves from sympathizing with him. But because the music so vividly captures Paxton's horrified realization that he doesn't have any way out, we're stuck empathizing with him no matter what he does. I couldn't believe the cue didn't make it on the album. Good thing we still have the film.

Pedestrian Wolf

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

Maybe as a punishment for being a bad film and getting worse from there on until Batman as a movie concept was redeemed by "Batman begins".

And yet, Batman ('89) made 50 million more than Batman Beings, I believe.

And also, they didn't mispronounce the main villains name, as Batman Begins did with Râ's al Ghûl. So maybe Batman ('89) isn't all that bad.


The '89 film also didn't have Batman telling anyone who would listen about his feelings while simultaneously trying to pass himself off as a brooding, stoic loner. It also didn't have characters directly telling the audience every last moral and theme the movie was supposed to be demonstrating. Burton's Batman films weren't perfect, but at least they had subtext, subtext that they trusted audiences to discover on their own.

Pedestrian Wolf

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2007 - 11:58 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

Maybe as a punishment for being a bad film and getting worse from there on until Batman as a movie concept was redeemed by "Batman begins".

Kind regards.

D.S.


And there's the requisite turd in the swimming pool. Thanks, Disco.

Ryan

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

And also, they didn't mispronounce the main villains name, as Batman Begins did with Râ's al Ghûl. So maybe Batman ('89) isn't all that bad.

Yeah, after hearing it as "Raish" Al Ghul for so long, hearing it pronounced as "Rahs" really irked me.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

That character irked me enough when he was called "Shiwan Khan" in "The Shadow" (1994).

That's right, I said it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Eric Sandstrom   (Member)

That character irked me enough when he was called "Shiwan Khan" in "The Shadow" (1994).

Yeah, the two characters are exactly the same. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)



The '89 film also didn't have Batman telling anyone who would listen about his feelings while simultaneously trying to pass himself off as a brooding, stoic loner. It also didn't have characters directly telling the audience every last moral and theme the movie was supposed to be demonstrating. Burton's Batman films weren't perfect, but at least they had subtext, subtext that they trusted audiences to discover on their own.

Pedestrian Wolf


I can't agree with that at all.

The "HELL HERE" sequence from BATMAN RETURNS is about the most heavy handed, over laboured, unsubtle, deliriously pretentious fake piece of metaphysical lecturing ever conceived for the screen. Ludicrously appalling. It certainly didn't deserve Elfman's beautiful music (and credit to him for not patronising the audience and imagery, especially as it was that deserved). Try watching that scene without score. I bet there isn't a deaf viewer alive or dead that enjoyed BATMAN RETURNS.

Then there's the indulgent, insincere camp parody of the ELEPHANT MAN by way of Edward Scissorhands that is suppose to pass off as The Penguin...

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   captain X   (Member)

This score album has been a disappointment from the time I first heard it years ago.

There are three negatives going against it:

-Very POOR sound quality
-cues shortened in many places
-plenty of missing cues

To be more specific about each issue:

-The sound quality and mixing is terrible, as there is almost no clarity in the recording whatsoever. Compare the film to the album, in any track, and you will hear a world of difference. The main titles have prominent snare drums in the film that are completely drowned out on the CD.

"Attack Of The Batwing", where you hear the Batman theme in all its glory 1:01 into the track is a muffled mess on album. In the film, the brass and tympani are clean and clear, whereas the CD is a muffled mess with no detail at all.

-The edited cues is a distraction, when you know music is missing from them. "Roof Fight", "First Confrontation", and "Attack Of The Batwing" have many moments, highlights even, cut out of them.

-with a 55 minute running time, certainly some additional cues could make their way onto a reissue.

Because the score was recorded in England, that means re-use fees aren't really an issue correct? Is it just a lack of interest among fans regarding an remastered, expanded reissue of this score?



This is a job for La-La Land!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Eric Sandstrom   (Member)

The "HELL HERE" sequence from BATMAN RETURNS is about the most heavy handed, over laboured, unsubtle, deliriously pretentious fake piece of metaphysical lecturing ever conceived for the screen.

Ah, and what is Batman Returns lecturing?

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   theOzman   (Member)

There was another version of Elfman's BATMAN theme that never made it onto the original CD. It combined his main them with the "Attack of the Batwing" cue. It's much more propulsive and exciting than what ended up in the film and it would be great to finally get this on a remastered re-release of the CD. As is, the said cue can be found on a promo single that was put out at the time of the film.

- Oz

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2007 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

Compare the film to the album...


I never cared for the film mix. It didn't sound organic and seemed very low-fi. I'm here listening to the album now and remembering a particular section of "Batman to the Rescue" that sounded terrible in the movie (at about 26 seconds into the album cue).

Neil

 
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