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 Posted:   Apr 12, 2007 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   mastersofuniverse   (Member)

done it
check your mail!

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2007 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


Also, this might be of interest also,

Jan Hammer did the score for a documentary movie called "Cocaine Cowboys" in 2006.

A lot of the score is played on the official website at http://www.cocainecowboys.com

I "grabbed" it and converted it. If anybody needs the tracks, about 8 in total, just let me know your email.

It is quality music! A mixture of Miami vice style sounds with new synths!


Yeah, I started on thread on CC a short while back. Much better the MV: THE MOVIE.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2007 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Thanks my man.
Great tunes, especially the helicopter one.

Hope I can return the favor sometime.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2007 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Hey BHC, I would love to have the MV and Cociane Cowboys tracks.

jaanensen36@hotmail.com

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2007 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Thanks a lot for great tracks from Cocaine Cowboys and Truman's Miami Vice!

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2007 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

I think Truman isn't bad at all...but one must give Hammer more credit. After all, Hammer set the tone in Vice for guys like Truman to follow. Tangerine Dream gave Levay his sound in the 80's..to the point of cloning TD's Blue Years sound. Without the pioneers (and yes, Jan is a pioneer) they have no tone to follow. So in actuality, one cannot really criticise one without the other (Truman is cut from the Hammer cake...he is just a slice until he forms his own cake which is hard to do). The only criticism one could make would be that Hammer was doing it first. The opinion part: Hammer is more experienced and created the 'vice sound' that I have not heard from any other artist before him....only after. Levay is another story. Clearly his work in the 80's was little more than a quick study of Chris Franke's heavily delayed sequencing. Once again, Franke is the cake...Levay was the slice.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2007 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

I think Truman isn't bad at all...but one must give Hammer more credit. After all, Hammer set the tone in Vice for guys like Truman to follow. Tangerine Dream gave Levay his sound in the 80's..to the point of cloning TD's Blue Years sound. Without the pioneers (and yes, Jan is a pioneer) they have no tone to follow. So in actuality, one cannot really criticise one without the other (Truman is cut from the Hammer cake...he is just a slice until he forms his own cake which is hard to do). The only criticism one could make would be that Hammer was doing it first. The opinion part: Hammer is more experienced and created the 'vice sound' that I have not heard from any other artist before him....only after. Levay is another story. Clearly his work in the 80's was little more than a quick study of Chris Franke's heavily delayed sequencing. Once again, Franke is the cake...Levay was the slice.

Nah, Levay's disco records and his work with Moroder on CAT PEOPLE had all the delayed sequencing going on. There are fad similarities (how cheap does the score to COBRA sound?). but nothing happens through a vacuum.

Faltermeyer's THIEF OF HEARTS was doing the Hammer sound (albeit in a Hi NRG vein) at the same time as MV was debuting. Jan's was more proggy though, like an 80s GENESIS record.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2007 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I think Truman isn't bad at all...but one must give Hammer more credit. After all, Hammer set the tone in Vice for guys like Truman to follow. Tangerine Dream gave Levay his sound in the 80's..to the point of cloning TD's Blue Years sound. Without the pioneers (and yes, Jan is a pioneer) they have no tone to follow. So in actuality, one cannot really criticise one without the other (Truman is cut from the Hammer cake...he is just a slice until he forms his own cake which is hard to do). The only criticism one could make would be that Hammer was doing it first. The opinion part: Hammer is more experienced and created the 'vice sound' that I have not heard from any other artist before him....only after. Levay is another story. Clearly his work in the 80's was little more than a quick study of Chris Franke's heavily delayed sequencing. Once again, Franke is the cake...Levay was the slice.

Well said.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2007 - 1:03 AM   
 By:   Brandon   (Member)

Hey BHC, if the offer for the Vice and Cowboys tracks is still open I'd love to check 'em out. My address is bpleake@prodigy.net.

Thanks!

Brandon

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2007 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   mastersofuniverse   (Member)

Hey BHC, if the offer for the Vice and Cowboys tracks is still open I'd love to check 'em out. My address is bpleake@prodigy.net.

Thanks!

Brandon


sent, check your email.

Faltermeyer is a true genius! I'm still waiting for the BHCOP 1 & 2 Scores ! Would love an expanded edition of both!

You have to admire Jan Hammer though for making some absolutely awesome score tracks for Miami Vice. Its amazing how he did it! He scored a new episode every week and came up with so many variety of styles, blues, rock, new wave, etc. The sheer variety was incredible.

The 2 CD Miami Vice ultimate collection does no justice to how good the music score was. I think it would take at least 6 more CD's to truly grasp the quality of the music he created! It truly had a distinctive sound, great experimentation of distorting synth sounds such as a Yamaha DX7 with vintage guitar amps !

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2007 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Don't forget Hammer's grasp of the Fairlight sampler.

If you look at the specs of the equipment Hammer used on that show compared to the Hollywood movies of the same genre, he really wasn't given many technical luxuries. Hammer wasn't using a Synclavier and I am pretty sure there was no direct to disc digital recording either. Lots of real instruments too. To whack that stuff out on a weekly basis was thoroughly impressive!

Have you guys heard the final track on Genesis' INVISIBLE TOUCH album? TOTALLY 100% Hammer on MV. You'd never know the difference.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2007 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

yes, the season 5 music by Tim Truman is awesome,

you've been missing out for the last few months my friends!

Tim has been playing his songs on his myspace for the last few months and keeps changing them every month!

www.myspace.com/timtruman

Check it out now and you can listen to the full theme from the last episode "Freefall",
an absolute masterpiece, he used it as the last piece of score in the final ever episode!

Great Stuff! "Grab" it while you can! All in all he's posted up about 10 tracks for listening,
Luckilly i listened to them all and grabbed them all, great!

PS, check out the Helicopter track also! Tim said Michael Mann loved this piece he scored,

Also, Tim posts on the Miami vice forum also! Great guy!


Hey, my addy is anavision2351@aol.com">panavision2351@aol.com I'd love to hear them! Cheers

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2007 - 11:42 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)



Faltermeyer's THIEF OF HEARTS was doing the Hammer sound (albeit in a Hi NRG vein) at the same time as MV was debuting. Jan's was more proggy though, like an 80s GENESIS record.


Personally, I wouldn't even put Faltermeyer and Hammer in the same class. I dig em both but they are very different musicians and Jan's background in fusion & prog make him much more versatile in his music. Harold's had his hands too far into disco and pop (more of an arranger than a performer) to strike gold with most true prog EM or berlin school aficionados. I think the music he has produced on his own compared to Faltermeyer's sans Moroder or others makes the point.

Besides..have you seen the Axel F music video? Harold should be in jail for making that. ;-D

...and using John Carpenter's 'Duke theme' from EFNY for his main theme in BHC2...for shame ;-p

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2007 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   mastersofuniverse   (Member)

In terms of experimentation, Jan is definitely ahead of Faltermeyer, the way he distorted synth sounds and creating variety of styles. Jan can make a synth sound like a guitar purely from how he plays, he is such an amazing musician!

Faltermeyer came from the pop music background, but primarily was given a chance because he was such a great synth programmer. He really excelled in the movie scores, the first Beverly hills cop was simply awesome, great melodies, synths and varieties used.

For some reason, the choice of synthesizer sounds Faltermeyer used, a lot of them do not sound dated at all. He has incredibly good ears for sounds. Just listen to the Tango & Cash score or the Fletch score, great music!

For beverly hills cop 2, i know that he used John Carpenters escape from new york for some of the score. Although i'm pretty sure he must have asked John carpenter first! Some of the music is exactly the same, note for note.
I think John let him use it.

You can hear that same music, albeit slightly modified in Harold F's track called "Bad Guys" which has vocals by Keith Forsey. Sounds very good even to this day and makes a good song!


 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2007 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Yes, Bad Guys is a brilliant pop song.

I agree that The Brazilian by Genesis is a terrific track, I have a feeling that the song is used in a movie... The Invisible Touch album has several other great tracks, like the two-part Domino.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2007 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)


For some reason, the choice of synthesizer sounds Faltermeyer used, a lot of them do not sound dated at all. He has incredibly good ears for sounds. Just listen to the Tango & Cash score or the Fletch score, great music!

For beverly hills cop 2, i know that he used John Carpenters escape from new york for some of the score. Although i'm pretty sure he must have asked John carpenter first! Some of the music is exactly the same, note for note.
I think John let him use it.



Nah. I don't think John is even aware of it. Composers don't usually let other composers 'use' their music unless it's a blatant homage (such as Shreeve's Assault on Precinct 13 homage; Assassin)...which it obviously wasn't. Just a case of direct or indirect plagiarism. I sure wouldn't want my score ripped off and put in a different film I wasn't attached to. Makes no sense.

Faltermeyer was using the standard sunths at the time; DX7s, Jupiters, JX synths....typical polyphonic sounds of the 80's. That's why everything in the pop realm sounds like Faltermeyer or Moroder. In any case, they were mostly analog (save the DX) so it sounded nice and full....until the later 80's when FM synths took over. Faltermeyer's best were collabs with Moroder (Midnight Express) and his earlier works. Tango & Cash (like The Running Man) hasn't aged as well as I had hoped. Personally, I'll take Fletch, BHC and Thief of Hearts. Those are his best works. Of course all three are scare or only partially released (and the Thief of Hearts CD is horribly mastered). Still, I'm glad Tango & Cash came out. Shows there are still attempts to release older classic synth scores. They just need to go back a bit further before the analog synth age died. ;-p

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2007 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

Is this the same Tim Truman who used to score a lot of NEWHART episodes??

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2007 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Is this the same Tim Truman who used to score a lot of NEWHART episodes??

Yes.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2007 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Shulte,

I agree with your assessments pretty much 100%.

Taste wise, I do disagree about the FM synths though- and obviously with the criticisms of TANGO AND CASH and RUNNING MAN you are citing the advent of the Synclavier. From TOP GUN forward it was all Synclavier samples, right into his 90s stuff which was more about sampling/incorporating real accoustic instruments.

Even if sonically the clean and glossy Synclavier can't touch the analog warmth of the Casablanca Moroder years (back when there were also no drum machines, Keith Forsey playing live instead), I find the technological scale very exciting. It was the start of the softsynth digital playground of today, and those machines still hold up. Certainly now listening to those later Faltermeyer scores it just sounds like generic synthpop production, but back in the 80s, having convincing stereo samples at a time when all everyone knew was the Fairlight- damn it was a revolution overnight.

Faltermeyer's scores are very time capsule pop that as you say sum up what was hot the year they came out. Of course this brings us back to the inherent problem that while Harold was staying ahead of the game in terms of technology and fashion, like the pop songs he was translating to the screen, as soon as the next pop fad is in, the music has no longeivity, ansd certainly not enough to be timeless. Seventies disco was never hard on the ears with the restrained synth stuff, which is why I agree that AMERICAN GIGOLO, FOXES and MIDNIGHT EXPRESS are Faltermeyer's most timeless work (and he effectively co-created the music with Moroder on all of them).

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2008 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   Micki Moreau   (Member)

Just finished watching the entire run of Jeremiah, and there is some really great work done on the score.

It would be the awesome if a series cd of the music were to finally surface. Too much good stuff to let it disappear into the void of scores not produced frown

Mick

 
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