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 Posted:   Aug 14, 2005 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

John Morgan? are you listening? IN LOVE AND WAR and anything else that you can come up with from this GIANT of Hollywood Filmscoring. (and well, and why not?)

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2005 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Chief, I'm blushing, we never asked to talk about HWF............

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2005 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   troberts60   (Member)

Well..........

Friedhofer -- "The Rains of Ranchipur," "In Love and War", "Boy on A Dolphin", "The Bishop's Wife," "The Best Years of Our Lives" and "Soldier of Fortune."

Newman: "The Robe," "The Prisoner of Zenda," "The Razor's Edge," "The Mark of Zorro," "Anastasia," "The Diary of Anne Frank," "How the West Was Won" and ALL his R&H musical underscores plus "Camelot", and "Airport."

Waxman: "Taras Bulba," "Sayonara," "The Nun's Story," "Sunset Boulevard," "A Place in the Sun" and "Untamed."

Rozsa: "El Cid," "Ben-Hur," "Quo Vadis," "Fedora," "Providence," "The VIPs", "Diane" and "Madame Bovary."

Korngold: "The Adventures of Robin Hood," "Elizabeth and Essex," "Between Two Worlds," "Captain Blood", "The Sea Hawk", and "The Prince and the Pauper."

Steiner: "Now Voyager," "Since You Went Away," "The Informer," "King Kong," "Helen of Troy," "Rome Adventure" and "Gone With the Wind."

Bernstein: "To Kill A Mockingbird," "Hawaii," "Summer and Smoke", "From the Terrace," "Far From Heaven," "The World of Henry Orient" and "The Ten Commandments."

North: "Spartacus," "Cleopatra", "Dragonslayer," "The Sound and the Fury", "Viva Zapata," "The Agony and the Ecstasy", "The Shoes of the Fisherman", and "South Seas Adventure."

Kaper: "Mutiny on the Bounty," "Lili," "The Swan," "Auntie Mame" and "The Glass Slipper."

Barry: "Out of Africa," "The Lion in Winter," "On Her Majesty's Secret Service," "Goldfinger," and "Somewhere in Time."
Concerning the R & H underscores, is there any hope of seeing an expanded "South Pacific"? A magnificent sounding, beautifully written underscore and with the help of Ken Darby!!
"Flower Drum Song" is another that ought to be expanded.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Andreas   (Member)

By all means...let's discuss all things Hugo Wilhelm Friedhofer.

Over the years, Hugo Friedhofer has become one of my favorite Golden Age composers. Scores like THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, ABOVE AND BEYOND or BROKEN ARROW I can't recommend enough. He is one of the few film composers whose CDs I buy regardless if I know the music or not.
So, although he's not a popular composer and many of his recordings are no longer useful, I'm looking forward to some new Friedhofer releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   c3p007   (Member)

Isn't this the guy who ghost wrote portions of Return of the Jedi?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Isn't this the guy who ghost wrote portions of "Return of the Jedi".....


big grin



.....Over the years, Hugo Friedhofer has become one of my favorite Golden Age composers. Scores like THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, ABOVE AND BEYOND or BROKEN ARROW I can't recommend enough. He is one of the few film composers whose CDs I buy regardless if I know the music or not.
So, although he's not a popular composer and many of his recordings are no longer useful, I'm looking forward to some new Friedhofer releases.....



Yes. Hugo is one for the "literate" filmmusic listener.

.....And the fact that he comes up with some absolutely gorgeous themes and melodies as well doesn't hurt.



In the old days of the Hollywood studio system, the heads of those studios always produced a certain number of "prestige pictures" each year, knowing full well that the subject matter or presentation of the film would doom it to failure at the boxoffice, but that it was also important and well worth making. Thus we have films like "Wilson", "Julius Caesar", "Lust for Life", "Romeo and Juliet" (1936), "Invitation to the Dance", etc.

The popular films which made lots of money would pay the way for these special films to be made, and thus, the studio could afford to take a flyer on the prestige picture, which often gave it great reviews and acclaim, but no money.

It seems to me that all of the major "classic score" record producers---FSM, Varese, Intrada, Marco Polo, SAE etc---have, at one time or another, done the same thing: Produced a Friedhofer, Raksin, or someone else whose work is probably not going to see a profit, but who should absolutely, in the interest of filmmusic history and classic listening, be recorded.

As one of our frequent posters has so often pointed out, this is a business, based on profit, and not good will (for the most part).

But for those who do give us some of these special items, we should always offer congratulations and encouragement for taking these chances in the past, and, hopefully, in the future.

Though I'm just one consumer, I'll buy every Friedhofer I can, and I'm sure others will as well, so it's not a total loss.

I have a very, very large filmmusic collection, amassed over nearly 60 years, and my personal slogan has always been, "I don't get them all at first, but I DO get them all eventually." (I'm still looking for a few items from 1947. big grin )

I think there are others like me in the world, and I think the various companies should (and probably do) understand that sooner or later, every copy they've pressed will be sold. That is, of course, if they can wait long enough.

Little filmmusic fans are being born every moment in every part of the world, and some of them are going to discover Friedhofer, and others they've never heard of in their young lives, one day.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   EddyD   (Member)

Yes. Hugo is one for the "literate" filmmusic listener.

.....And the fact that he comes up with some absolutely gorgeous themes and melodies as well doesn't hurt.


Well put. I would also apply these words to Laurence Rosenthal from a generation later. His name doesn't come up as much as Goldsmith, Williams & Co., but I find that his scores consistently reward me. Anything from both of these composers is much welcome!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   troberts60   (Member)

Can someone tell me the joys of "Broken Arrow"? I am tempted to buy but need a good recommendation.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

Broken Arrow's a great score; you won't regret it.
and nifty-keen packaging as well. Highly recommended.


If Friedhofer doesn't sell in today's market, how come Barbarian and the Geisha, a run of 3,000 CDs, sold out?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Broken Arrow's a great score; you won't regret it.
and nifty-keen packaging as well. Highly recommended.


If Friedhofer doesn't sell in today's market, how come Barbarian and the Geisha, a run of 3,000 CDs, sold out?


BARBARIAN had a run of 1000.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Can someone tell me the joys of "Broken Arrow"? I am tempted to buy but need a good recommendation.....


The recommendation is the name, HUGO FRIEDHOFER.

I have never heard a bad Friedhofer score, and this one, for an ultimately thoughtful and touching "western" is one of the best of its genre.

.....but, Friedhofer could write superbly in nearly every genre:

Drama:
THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES
ACE IN THE HOLE / THE BIG CARNIVAL
THE HARDER THEY FALL
JOAN OF ARC
THE RAINS OF RANCHIPUR
THE SUN ALSO RISES

Swashbucklers:
THE BANDIT OF SHERWOOD FOREST
THE SWORDSMAN
(and portions of THE MARK OF ZORRO, THE PRISONER OF ZENDA)

War:
IN LOVE AND WAR
THE YOUNG LIONS
BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL
NEVER SO FEW

Romance:
THIS EARTH IS MINE
AN AFFAIR TO REMEMBER
THE BISHOP'S WIFE
ENCHANTMENT

Exotic Adventure:
THE BARBARIAN AND THE GEISHA
BOY ON A DOLPHIN
SOLDIER OF FORTUNE
ADVENTURES OF MARCO POLO
BRIDE OF VENGEANCE
THUNDER IN THE EAST
LYDIA BAILEY

Film Noir:
THE LODGER
TRY AND GET ME
NO MAN OF HER OWN

Western:
TWO FLAGS WEST
BROKEN ARROW
ONE-EYED JACKS
VERA CRUZ
WHITE FEATHER
SEVEN CITIES OF GOLD
THE BRAVADOS


.....and this limited list forgets the 300+ other filmscores on which Friedhofer contributed.

Hugo Friedhofer is one of the giants of filmmusic, and perhaps the most prolific "good" composer in the history of Hollywood.

(Or, as Hugo once put it, "Yes, I'm a real pygmy among false giants....." )

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

As Alfred Newman told someone who wanted to know what he should do to become a film music composer:

"Study Friedhofer."

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2005 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

And to save Thor the trouble, Friedhofer was discussed in the following threads:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=23409&forumID=1

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=8827&forumID=1

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   troberts60   (Member)

And to save Thor the trouble, Friedhofer was discussed in the following threads:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=23409&forumID=1

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=8827&forumID=1


Somewhere I believe I have the lp of "Island in the Sky" doubled with "Song of Bernadette."
A Japanese release from many moons ago!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

We thank y'all for inspiring me to put on his exit music for TBYsOOLs as I prepare to exit and go to bed.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   c3p007   (Member)

So what parts of Jedi were his?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....So what parts of Jedi were his?.....


Where are you getting this idea?

Hugo Friedhofer died in 1981.

RETURN OF THE JEDI was released in 1983 and was scored by John Williams.

Are you implying that Williams used some Friedhofer theme, or that the film included some Friedhofer stock music, or is this a joke question?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

About the viability of RAINS OF RANCHIPUR original tracks. Remember Varese's anthology of music from 20th Century Fox? Included in that splendid grab-bag was a beautiful selection from RAINS not included in John and Bill's lovely Marco Polo (the label, not the movie!) suite. Which can't help but leave me wondering if there are other salvageable tracks from RAINS's original sessions. Even if not, it would indicate that there is more material in the RAINS score worth re-recording, even though the likelihood of that happening soon, (say, in our lifetimes,) is diminished by the existence of the Marco Polo recording (and its less than remunerative reception). Alas.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

.....So what parts of Jedi were his?.....


Where are you getting this idea?

Hugo Friedhofer died in 1981.

RETURN OF THE JEDI was released in 1983 and was scored by John Williams.



Maybe it really was ghost-written

Whooo-ooo-ooo-ooo

Duh

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2005 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

About the viability of RAINS OF RANCHIPUR original tracks. Remember Varese's anthology of music from 20th Century Fox? Included in that splendid grab-bag was a beautiful selection from RAINS not included in John and Bill's lovely Marco Polo (the label, not the movie!) suite. Which can't help but leave me wondering if there are other salvageable tracks from RAINS's original sessions. Even if not, it would indicate that there is more material in the RAINS score worth re-recording, even though the likelihood of that happening soon, (say, in our lifetimes,) is diminished by the existence of the Marco Polo recording (and its less than remunerative reception). Alas.

A compilation might work, though...with fragments remaining from key Friedhofer scores...like the "Bernard Herrmann at 20th Century-Fox" issues that Varese did.

 
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