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Mar 2, 2018 - 2:59 PM
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Solium
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As far as Star Wars scores go, I think its been diminishing results with each new film. I'm including the trilogy, prequels and sequels. As much as I try, I just can't get into Force Awakens or Last Jedi. They don't leave an impression with me. They're very journeymen like for sure, but I don't find them memorable or have a desire to revisit them. A part of all this is the musical climate in Hollywood too though. I would be more interested in seeing what Debney, JNH, or McNeely could do. (among many other composers)
Fair enough. I don't happen to agree with you – in fact, "The Force Awakens" is my third favorite "Star Wars" score (after the first two) – but there you have it. Personally, I like zero Debney scores and maybe a couple of McNeelys – I dread those names on scores – but again, just an opinion.
I think McNeely's work is richly thematic and actually continues the musical style Williams (or do we credit Spielberg and Lucas?) made popular in the 70's and 80's. But yeah, all subjective. Perhaps you grew with Williams as he grew and I did not.
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He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.
U mean those composers who lift and rehash...
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This is the opening that John Scott has been waiting the last 90+ years for!
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That would take either be the death or retirement of Steven Spielberg.
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This is the opening that John Scott has been waiting the last 90+ years for!
Source?!?
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He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.
then today's narrative sucks!?!
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Mar 3, 2018 - 2:43 PM
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Solium
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U mean those composers who lift and rehash...
There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.
Point, set, match!
No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...
Well that's news to me. No one ever gives Horner a pass for self lifting. As far as Williams, he's lifted from The Rite of Spring, The Planets, ST: The Doomsday Machine (arguably his most iconic theme), Agnes of God, to name a few.
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U mean those composers who lift and rehash...
There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.
Point, set, match!
No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...
Well that's news to me. No one ever gives Horner a pass for self lifting. As far as Williams, he's lifted from The Rite of Spring, The Planets, ST: The Doomsday Machine (arguably his most iconic theme), Agnes of God, to name a few.
my condolences to you. You are missing out on some wonderful, great, beautiful music. Well to each his own.
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Mar 3, 2018 - 3:53 PM
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JohnnyG
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U mean those composers who lift and rehash...
There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.
Point, set, match!
No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...
Well that's news to me. No one ever gives Horner a pass for self lifting. As far as Williams, he's lifted from The Rite of Spring, The Planets, ST: The Doomsday Machine (arguably his most iconic theme), Agnes of God, to name a few.
Yes, you named a few and we could all mention more names and works especially from the classical field (Vaughan Williams's symphonies, Prokofiev's "Love for Three Oranges" and so on) as far as JW is concerned. He has lifted from the classics and rehashed himself and he is still one of the best composers in the business in the last 50 years. Originality is not always the key word. Few things are original in music anymore - it's like that for a long time now and I've come to accept it.
Personally I gave Horner a pass many times. Even with all the rehashed material he knew how to pull my heartstrings and he had a great sense of drama. It was his comical obsession with that motif from Rach's First Symphony that annoyed me the most.
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