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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Sounds like a more appropriate marriage than Cutting Edge was...

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Is this the same Concord that bought and ruined Telarc a few years ago?

Different company and not the same management. If you want to come at me with this nonsense, your right, but the facts are facts. Under their current ownership they buy razor and tie, leave them alone...rounder, leave them alone, bicycle music, leave them alone.


Maybe different management now but it appears to be the same company.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Is this the same Concord that bought and ruined Telarc a few years ago?

Different company and not the same management. If you want to come at me with this nonsense, your right, but the facts are facts. Under their current ownership they buy razor and tie, leave them alone...rounder, leave them alone, bicycle music, leave them alone.


It is the same company, though? It may have changed from when it bought Telarc, but it's that Concord. Here's a guy quoted in the article, clearly it is the Concord that owns Telarc. https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-salm-856331

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Maybe now will get some decent artwork for the spines!?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Is this the same Concord that bought and ruined Telarc a few years ago?

Different company and not the same management. If you want to come at me with this nonsense, your right, but the facts are facts. Under their current ownership they buy razor and tie, leave them alone...rounder, leave them alone, bicycle music, leave them alone.


It is the same company, though? It may have changed from when it bought Telarc, but it's that Concord. Here's a guy quoted in the article, clearly it is the Concord that owns Telarc. https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-salm-856331


When I say different company think like this, if I did stuff when I was younger vs now, that was a different me. Yes, it's always been Concord but they were owned by 2 different groups in the past. Norman Lear and then Village Road show.

That's my point.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Is this the same Concord that bought and ruined Telarc a few years ago?

Different company and not the same management. If you want to come at me with this nonsense, your right, but the facts are facts. Under their current ownership they buy razor and tie, leave them alone...rounder, leave them alone, bicycle music, leave them alone.


It is the same company, though? It may have changed from when it bought Telarc, but it's that Concord. Here's a guy quoted in the article, clearly it is the Concord that owns Telarc. https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-salm-856331


When I say different company think like this, if I did stuff when I was younger vs now, that was a different me. Yes, it's always been Concord but they were owned by 2 different groups in the past. Norman Lear and then Village Road show.

That's my point.


Are you invested in this somehow?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Is this the same Concord that bought and ruined Telarc a few years ago?

Different company and not the same management. If you want to come at me with this nonsense, your right, but the facts are facts. Under their current ownership they buy razor and tie, leave them alone...rounder, leave them alone, bicycle music, leave them alone.


It is the same company, though? It may have changed from when it bought Telarc, but it's that Concord. Here's a guy quoted in the article, clearly it is the Concord that owns Telarc. https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-salm-856331


When I say different company think like this, if I did stuff when I was younger vs now, that was a different me. Yes, it's always been Concord but they were owned by 2 different groups in the past. Norman Lear and then Village Road show.

That's my point.


Are you invested in this somehow?


No. Just like you, an industry vet who knows people.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Cutting Edge does not nor have they dictated what releases Varese works on, goes after, releases or what archival scores to expand/release/not go after. They have left us alone. Granted Cutting Edge has movies they work on and Varese has first dibs to release those soundtracks, but that is a CHOICE. Varese can release what ever Cutting Edge scores they so choose.

Darren is one hell of a boss. I've told this to him several times and have told others. He's a FORWARD thinker. He has never stumped creativity or tried to stop archival releases. Again, he lets us soundtrack folks do our thing. He's wise, easy to work with and just a good guy all around. I'm actually quite sad he won't be our boss anymore as he was a great one and easy to work with and I learned so much from him.

Universal and Warner Bros have their own labels. MAJOR releases always go through their labels and we and other labels get what's left over if we want it. We'd love to get their next HUGE film, but they usually keep them, or the advances are extremely too high. Lots of factors go into play in this.

Let's discuss, but keep is civil. The analogy with Isis and Cutting Edge and Varese was just disrespectful and hurtful especially when you have no idea what Cutting Edge is and what they have or have not done in regards to Varese.

There is an assumption that ever since Cutting Edge bought Varese that all hell has broken loose. That could not be further from the truth actually. Again, they don't bother us. We work on, release, expand whatever scores we want. They never dictate anything. So blaming them because you still don't have Air Force One or an Indiana Jones Box Set is just silly.

Discussing that Varese is doing so bad or Cutting Edge is so tired or has messed up the company in some way so they can't wait to get rid of Varese again is wrong and is presumptious and leads to unwanted gossip. Those that like to speak in a way that makes it appear they "know" more than they truly do, this is a public forum and no one can stop you.

Looking forward to what this means. As with any merger and stuff it's stressful no matter how you look at it. I'm stayig positive and looking forward to meeting the Concord family soon. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Oh my!

Unless I missed it in the articles...is there a grace period like the Fox Film Buyout?

Could Varese still transition out with honors: a final batch of Club Titles?

Air Force One and U.S. Marshalls would be a strong farewell.

Either way, I hope there's a future for DE's under the new ownership.

I say appoint Peter Hackman for the job!!! Concord would be fools not to.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Hopefully new Varese hires a shipping company that remembers to send out my order after taking my money.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

All I know abut Concord is that it's long been a great jazz company. If they've acquired Varese, they have good taste in other forms of music as well, it would seem. Here's hoping!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

I think to most here the concept of “being bought” is an abstract one. I haven’t noticed that anything changed before or after Cutting Edge bought VS. I love Varèse and always have. I’m indebted to them for all the music they (and no one else) brought to my life at a very impressionable time.
On the business front, I always just assumed because of the price tag, that Varèse would have more capital behind them to do all the things that they were doing, like the recent Stephen King thing. But who knows. To me it’s better to be bought than to not be bought!

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


Darren is one hell of a boss. I've told this to him several times






Good tactic. I remember doing something similar, giving a nice red apple to my teacher, several times.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Cutting Edge does not nor have they dictated what releases Varese works on, goes after, releases or what archival scores to expand/release/not go after. They have left us alone. Granted Cutting Edge has movies they work on and Varese has first dibs to release those soundtracks, but that is a CHOICE. Varese can release what ever Cutting Edge scores they so choose.

Darren is one hell of a boss. I've told this to him several times and have told others. He's a FORWARD thinker. He has never stumped creativity or tried to stop archival releases. Again, he lets us soundtrack folks do our thing. He's wise, easy to work with and just a good guy all around. I'm actually quite sad he won't be our boss anymore as he was a great one and easy to work with.

Universal and Warner Bros have their own labels. MAJOR releases always go through their labels and we and other labels get what's left over if we want it. We'd love to get their next HUGE film, but they usually keep them, or the advances are extremely too high. Lots of factors go into play in this.

Let's discuss, but keep is civil. The analogy with Isis and Cutting Edge and Varese was just disrespectful and hurtful especially when you have no idea what Cutting Edge is and what they have or have not done in regards to Varese.

There is an assumption that ever since Cutting Edge bought Varese that all hell has broken loose. That could not be further from the truth actually. Again, they don't bother us. We work on, release, expand whatever scores we want. They never dictate anything. So blaming them because you still don't have Air Force One or an Indiana Jones Box Set is just silly.

Discussing that Varese is doing so bad or Cutting Edge is so tired or has messed up the company in some way so they can't wait to get rid of Varese again is wrong and is presumptious and leads to unwanted gossip. Those that like to speak in a way that they seem to really "know" what's going on can keep doing it, it's a public forum.

Looking forward to what this means. As with any merger and stuff it's stressful no matter how you look at it. I'm stayig positive and looking forward to meeting the Concord family soon. smile



Best wishes for a happy and prosperous association.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 10:08 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

I don't bother, who will be Varese owner until any of this things happens:
- new owner decide to fire all current staff;
- new owner decide to stop releasing CD;
- new owner decide to stop releasing this "old crap from 40-90s, which couldn't sell more than 500-3000 copies".

If Robert/Peter & the rest of current Varese staff still be the persons, who will make final decision what to release & will have no limitation in doing this - I'll be quiet smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I just hope Lukas Kendall will keep working with them to expand the Goldsmith titles they control. smile And hopefully, a little bit faster before CD plants stop manufacturing, pretty please....

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)


Darren is one hell of a boss. I've told this to him several times






Good tactic. I remember doing something similar, giving a nice red apple to my teacher, several times.


I wish you all the happiness in the world. You need it more than anyone on this board. I hope you can find some form of happiness that isn’t putting people down to feel superior on a message board that is dedicated to a love and passion we all share, film music.

Darren is and was a good boss. Honored to have worked with him.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

My impression - of course, a highly subjective one - is that Cutting Edge did not understand the niche market of film scores as well as VS´ competitors.

I hope that Concord will have VS release more expanded versions of scores in demand from their vault on a regular basis, stop the "supermarket"-idea of packaging (scores only available if you buy the whole set) and develop a better relationship towards its customers.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

My impression - of course, a highly subjective one - is that Cutting Edge did not understand the niche market of film scores as well as VS´ competitors.

I hope that Concord will have VS release more expanded versions of scores in demand from their vault on a regular basis, stop the "supermarket"-idea of packaging (scores only available if you buy the whole set) and develop a better relationship towards its customers.


Right. Plus resume selling their own product.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   Brianmcb   (Member)

Take what you will from this, by my estimation under Cutting Edge Varese released 4 DE editions per year.

As for releasing more DE or Club titles has anyone visited the Varese web-page recently? Only 4 of those DE's have sold out. Varese have thousands of dollars of stock setting on the shelves.

 
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