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 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Patch of Blue is one of JG's best, compact drama albums - great film helps too.
And, you missed the whole history of screwed up releases, lucky you! The 32min. Intrada is all you need. It's like Bernstein's Mockingbird score, taken down a notch in activity. Terrific theme & variations style work, Patch.
Go forth n buy!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Patch of Blue is one of JG's best, compact drama albums - great film helps too.
And, you missed the whole history of screwed up releases, lucky you! The 32min. Intrada is all you need. It's like Bernstein's Mockingbird score, taken down a notch in activity. Terrific theme & variations style work, Patch.
Go forth n buy!!


Oh heck yeah, now it's a no-brainer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

BSX released a terrific recording of the Alan Howarth/John Carpenter cues.

that BSX album is most of/the entire score re-recorded on synthesizer. The Carpenter/Howarth material will sound closer to the movie tracks than the Morriconne, obv.



Don’t waste your time, Adm. This thread’s about Goldsmith now, just run with it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

BSX released a terrific recording of the Alan Howarth/John Carpenter cues.

that BSX album is most of/the entire score re-recorded on synthesizer. The Carpenter/Howarth material will sound closer to the movie tracks than the Morriconne, obv.



Don’t waste your time, Adm. This thread’s about Goldsmith now, just run with it.


Ewwps...so, greatly looking forward to checking out the Collector's Edition Blu Ray of the Thing! It must be incredible to hear it in surround. I remember first seeing it in the theaters, me and my little brother practically lived for that movie, and the score had so much to do with that imo.

The score basically defines the term "dread" in music imo. Brilliant.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


My belief is all the music Morricone wrote is on the album, about 50 minutes worth from memory. So anything you hear in the film that's also on the album is Morricone. And anything you hear in the film that is not on the album will be Carpenter/Howarth. I don't think it's all that much.

Cheers


Over the years trying to compile the story, that's pretty much exactly what I know.

(An additional side fact: Carpenter's original choice to score the movie was Jerry Goldsmith... in case it was not mentioned so far. ;-) )

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)


(An additional side fact: Carpenter's original choice to score the movie was Jerry Goldsmith... in case it was not mentioned so far. ;-) )


I think that fact is what helped me sidetrack this thread earlier (with apologies, folks).

Morricone's output has become more important to me in the past week. I've been watching the Giallo films he wrote music for and really enjoying them...mostly for the music but there's some entertaining stuff there imo.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

My Goldsmith ponytail sense is tingling.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   KHashmi316   (Member)

I have the orig. 1998 DVD and the 2005 Collector's Ed. DVD.

From wikipedia:

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Though they did not speak a common language, Carpenter and Morricone collaborated on the soundtrack. Carpenter said that he urged Morricone toward a more minimalist direction.[35] MCA released the soundtrack in 1982; Varèse Sarabande released it 1991 on compact disc. It was also available as an isolated score track on the 1998 DVD release, but is not present on the 2005 edition. The soundtrack has since gone out of print. A re-recording of the soundtrack, produced and arranged by Alan Howarth and Larry Hopkins, is currently available. It is the only version of the soundtrack that contains the unused Carpenter and Howarth pieces.

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Didn't know that about the 1998 version! Seems that audio source material existed all the way back then!


Don't have the BluRay. Does that have isolated music track?

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

That’s incorrect. I owned all DVD editions and the one they mention never contained an isolated score. It just played the whole album from start to finish over a menu screen. Not an isolated score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Sometimes DVD region releases have something another region release doesn't. That could be the case here.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The tracks in the above link are just a combination of music ripped right from the dvd, the BSX re-recording and the Varese album. It’s not taken from a clean isolated score. Trust me, that hasn’t been on any editions free of SFX and dialogue. It’s all rips.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

I always thought there was some sort of legal issue holding back a proper reissue/remaster of this probably pertaining to Alan Howarth just like the absence of ones for Halloween II and III.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   KHashmi316   (Member)

I just ck'd my 1998 USA DVD and there is no separate score -- isolated or otherwise!! So I have no idea what Wikipedia is referring to?!!!

The tracks in the above link [YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiSXRoG2tQ] are just a combination of music ripped right from the dvd, the BSX re-recording and the Varese album. It’s not taken from a clean isolated score. Trust me, that hasn’t been on any editions free of SFX and dialogue. It’s all rips.

I'm not sure the YouTube link I gave contains anything other than rips of these two 2-CD (limited edition) sets...
(LINKS DELETED - NO BOOTS!)

I say that because (while I haven't heard the 2-CD sets directly), the YouTube rip [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiSXRoG2tQ ] is very clean, clear and sharp. Unlike any of the DVD versions I've heard.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 7:00 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I just ck'd my 1998 USA DVD and there is no separate score -- isolated or otherwise!! So I have no idea what Wikipedia is referring to?!!!

The tracks in the above link [YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiSXRoG2tQ] are just a combination of music ripped right from the dvd, the BSX re-recording and the Varese album. It’s not taken from a clean isolated score. Trust me, that hasn’t been on any editions free of SFX and dialogue. It’s all rips.

I'm not sure the YouTube link I gave contains anything other than rips of these two 2-CD (limited edition) sets...
LINKS DELETED - NO BOOTS!

I say that because (while I haven't heard the 2-CD sets directly), the YouTube rip [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiSXRoG2tQ ] is very clean, clear and sharp. Unlike any of the DVD versions I've heard.



Those are bootlegs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Patch of Blue is one of JG's best, compact drama albums - great film helps too.
And, you missed the whole history of screwed up releases, lucky you! The 32min. Intrada is all you need. It's like Bernstein's Mockingbird score, taken down a notch in activity. Terrific theme & variations style work, Patch.
Go forth n buy!!


Oh heck yeah, now it's a no-brainer.


I know, I know...this thread is for Morricone's The Thing...but if I may join the recommendations for A PATCH OF BLUE. It's in my top 10 of Goldsmith scores and is not to be missed...absolutely beautiful, subtle and perfect for the film. Try to see the film as well, though it's not on bluray. I keep hoping Twilight Time will release it with an iso score track...seems like it would be right up their alley.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

However, as no one has further commented on this thread, I will also say that I LOVE this score and film. I do have the SCREAM FACTORY release but I have not listened to the new producer commentary.... but I definitely will! I've always really enjoyed listening to this score, but have also wondered if JC got involved late in post, because that opening cue just sounds too Carpenter for it not to be him.
Anyway, very excited he's involved in the Halloween project, and that he recently reached 70! I saw his concert in Seattle and it was really cool...so glad I could make it!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


(An additional side fact: Carpenter's original choice to score the movie was Jerry Goldsmith... in case it was not mentioned so far. ;-) )



No, pal, nobody had mentioned that ever before roll eyes smile

So thanks for bringing it up big grin

I watched the Thing on bluray recently, as rated in the appropriate thread on the other side. It was remastered in 4k so I suppose will turn up in that format at some stage. It was a while since I'd watched it and really enjoyed the score again. I don't recall the extract that turned up in The Hateful Eight being played. This score always seemed an oddity amongst Morricone's output, but then so have many others.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Filmmaker   (Member)

I just ck'd my 1998 USA DVD and there is no separate score -- isolated or otherwise!! So I have no idea what Wikipedia is referring to?!!!

You’re probably not checking in the right place. It’s not in the main menu but tucked away in the bonus features: "John Carpenter's The Thing: Terror Takes Shape" documentary (83:56 with Optional Isolated Score in Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   David Anthony   (Member)

Nicolai

What is your source for the information that Goldsmith was Carpenter's first choice and can you evidence it?

I do know for a fact the Morricone is quoted by Carpenter on the back of the Varese HALLOWEEN soundtrack LP as one of the biggest influences on his work along with Bernard Herrmann. I also understand that Carpenter played the theme from ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST at his wedding.
So it would be strange if Morricone was not his first choice for the score once he determined that there was no time to write it himself. Perhaps one of the producers was thinking about Goldsmith?

I am unsure why the poster of this thread could not have taken time a little time to look at some of the (many) previous posts on this score, because they would surely have answered the questions about what music was not composed by EM for this movie.

 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I just ck'd my 1998 USA DVD and there is no separate score -- isolated or otherwise!! So I have no idea what Wikipedia is referring to?!!!

You’re probably not checking in the right place. It’s not in the main menu but tucked away in the bonus features: "John Carpenter's The Thing: Terror Takes Shape" documentary (83:56 with Optional Isolated Score in Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo).


Again, those are just selections from the album.

While on tour last year, Carpenter gave an interview where he stated that a complete version of The Thing score is forthcoming.
Not sure if he was referring to the recent BSX 2LP or something else...

 
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