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 Posted:   Jan 30, 2018 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Herrmann is one of my favorites, but I confess that I really have no interest in his concert music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2018 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Plus, the Symphony stands up to both casual and intent listening.

I'm also a fan of the Symphony. I hope that someday a major conductor will champion the work and include it in a concert. As far as I can tell it hasn't been performed (other than the recording) since its premiere in 1941.

The symphony has been played. I just heard it in November at Carnegie Hall in New York.


 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2018 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Herrmann is one of my favorites, but I confess that I really have no interest in his concert music.

I find this strange, like saying that you love Mozart operas but have no interest in his symphonies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2018 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Herrmann is one of my favorites, but I confess that I really have no interest in his concert music.

I find this strange, like saying that you love Mozart operas but have no interest in his symphonies.


I am not a completist of any artist. I would rather listen to favorite works by a greater number of artists than entire catalogs by a smaller number.

Oh, and I hate opera. wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Love all the ones I've heard ...

Symphony number 1
The Fantasticks
Echoes
Souvenirs Des Voyages
Moby Dick Cantata
Wuthering Heights

Love Herrmann

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

Wuthering Heights has a couple of gorgeous arias in it. I've performed them with singers.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   hyperdanny   (Member)

The symphony is a minor masterpiece, and maybe not so minor.
I listen to it often, I find it markedly superior to many more famous symphonies of the 40's, which tend to be homogenized in the "war symphony" mould.
I find it incredibile that it doesn't get more recorded, especially unfortunate since I do not really think the 2 available recordings realize its potential: Herrmann was of course a good conductor, but when he taped it he was already in his late, ponderous phase and anyway the sound is very dated.
My reference (the Phoenix SO/ Sedares on Koch) is tauter and has decent (not great) digital sound, but still could use more fire, and an orchestra with a more refined sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Herrmann is one of my favorites, but I confess that I really have no interest in his concert music.

Can you articulate any reason why Herrmann's 'absolute' music holds no interest for you, Onya?

Is there any 'long-hair' concert music which does interest you?

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Herrmann is one of my favorites, but I confess that I really have no interest in his concert music.

Can you articulate any reason why Herrmann's 'absolute' music holds no interest for you, Onya?

Is there any 'long-hair' concert music which does interest you?


Some folks just don't like concert music...I might be dense, but I thought Onya mostly just didn't like opera.

Back when I was a very young girl, my Neopolitan grandfather just plain loved art music (and to a lesser degree film music and Satchmo). My very first albums were Jerry Goldsmith's Boys From Brazil and Elton John's Greatest Hits vol. 1. I didn't care much for concert music or opera, just the genres those albums belonged to.

In fact it took me awhile to get into opera (and I didn't even try until much later in life, when the movie Amadeus struck an interest). I can't blame people for not liking it, especially Wagner's less obviously melodic style (even I get frustrated with the length of Tricky Dick's operas btw).

I would be a little surprised if Onya didn't like some of the more catchy pieces like La Donna Mobile or Ride of the Walkure. But hey, he/she (I'm so sorry I don't know your sex, Onya) is not alone in disliking opera...and these days, that goes for concert music as well (just check out how many symphony orchestras these days are literally begging for donations).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Can you articulate any reason why Herrmann's 'absolute' music holds no interest for you, Onya?

Is there any 'long-hair' concert music which does interest you?


Why would you assume that no concert music interests me just because Herrmann's does not? These days, I am into Alvin Lucier and Morton Feldman.

In response to your other question, perusing these albums on YouTube years ago did nothing to inspire me to hear more.

I am at a point in my life in which I want to hear the best music by a greater variety of artists, rather than everything by four or five artists.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Can you articulate any reason why Herrmann's 'absolute' music holds no interest for you, Onya?

Is there any 'long-hair' concert music which does interest you?


Why would you assume that no concert music interests me just because Herrmann's does not?

In response to your other question, perusing these albums on YouTube years ago did nothing to inspire me to hear more.

I am at a point in my life in which I want to hear the best music by a greater variety of artists, rather than everything by four or five artists.


Hey sounds like a great approach! I wonder if sometime in the future I'll care less about certain composers and broaden my appreciation in terms of best music, too.

I mean, I'm Rozsa-Herrmann-Alfred Newman SO much (Goldsmith is flying up the list, Poledouris as well). But I think Onya's approach is more than valid.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


Why would you assume that no concert music interests me just because Herrmann's does not? These days, I am into Alvin Lucier and Morton Feldman.


Knowing OnyaB hates opera and reading that he has no interest in Herrmann's concert works, I want to ask him if there is any abstract music that he does like.

Interesting to learn about Onya's current consumption of music by Morton Feldman. smile

Feldman wrote a one-act opera called Neither in 1977; will Onya appreciate this opus or not?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Knowing OnyaB hates opera and reading that he has no interest in Herrmann's concert works, I want to ask him if there is any abstract music that he does like.

That's like assuming that if someone doesn't like beer, they don't drink. I don't like beer, nor opera.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

That's like assuming that if someone doesn't like beer, they don't drink. I don't like beer, nor opera.

Understood, but how will we know what sort of music OnyaBirri considers as 'beer' and which music is like a fine wine?

If you don't tell us, then we start making assumptions.

My assumption is that most (if not all) of Herrmann's concert music is either too romantic or not adventuresome enough to classify as a 'fine wine' according to OnyaBirri's common practice criteria for assessing the music he likes.

Would this be a fair guess?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Primo   (Member)

Plus, the Symphony stands up to both casual and intent listening.

I'm also a fan of the Symphony. I hope that someday a major conductor will champion the work and include it in a concert. As far as I can tell it hasn't been performed (other than the recording) since its premiere in 1941.


The symphony has been played. I just heard it in November at Carnegie Hall in New York.


The symphony was also played in October 2007 in Meany Hall with the Seattle Philharmonic conducted by Adam Stern at a concert I attended. It does need a another performance with a top flight orchestra and conductor.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Plus, the Symphony stands up to both casual and intent listening.

I'm also a fan of the Symphony. I hope that someday a major conductor will champion the work and include it in a concert. As far as I can tell it hasn't been performed (other than the recording) since its premiere in 1941.


The symphony has been played. I just heard it in November at Carnegie Hall in New York.



The symphony was also played in October 2007 in Meany Hall with the Seattle Philharmonic conducted by Adam Stern at a concert I attended. It does need a another performance with a top flight orchestra and conductor.

It would be nice to have a Stromberg recording imo.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 1, 2018 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

My assumption is that most (if not all) of Herrmann's concert music is either too romantic or not adventuresome enough to classify as a 'fine wine' according to OnyaBirri's common practice criteria for assessing the music he likes.

Would this be a fair guess?


It has been years since I listened to this stuff, and it's not like I devoted a huge amount of time to absorbing it, but yes, in general, I wasn't feeling the edginess that I get from his film scores. Maybe I would feel differently if I devoted more time to it, but there are hundreds of albums I would want to listen to first. I

 
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