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 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I'll buy this (at least to see how unbeatable Horner's score is)!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

I found the music samples dark and brooding more Herrmannesq than Delerue and not very interesting. Am I missing something here??
Of course. You are listening to samples.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

Amer, this will be my second Delerue. My first was French Revolution. It is still one of my favorites.

Dbrooks: I guess this will start as the new composer discovery for me. I have been meaning to explore his works for quite sometime.


After years of film score collecting, I only really caught up on what I was missing with Delerue a few years ago. The continuing releases are helping me build my small collection - eg. Kritzerlands' Sketch Artist, the Beat records compilation etc. There's lots of recommendations on this board to help direct you with you tube links etc. But you really need to get the 6CD set from Universal France - it's the best start you can have.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   dyptique   (Member)

Is it just me or does this score sound like (or vice versa) Bernstein's The Black Cauldron?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I found the music samples dark and brooding more Herrmannesq than Delerue and not very interesting. Am I missing something here??

Your first observation is accurate, but that's why it is interesting to fans. You probably wont like the rest of the score, but perhaps there are soundtracks that you didnt initially enjoy but grew on you after a few listens?

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Amer, this will be my second Delerue. My first was French Revolution. It is still one of my favorites.

Dbrooks: I guess this will start as the new composer discovery for me. I have been meaning to explore his works for quite sometime.


After years of film score collecting, I only really caught up on what I was missing with Delerue a few years ago. The continuing releases are helping me build my small collection - eg. Kritzerlands' Sketch Artist, the Beat records compilation etc. There's lots of recommendations on this board to help direct you with you tube links etc. But you really need to get the 6CD set from Universal France - it's the best start you can have.


Don't forget that Music Box Records just recently released a Delerue title, in addition to the many that they have already put out.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Bailey   (Member)

Great stuff, Ordered without hesitation. Love the cover art too, thanks Intrada!

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Doctor Shatterhand   (Member)

I too feel the music is similar to Herrmann's opening of Citizen Kane. At least from my POV it reminds me of it, and at one point I was whispering the iconic word Rosebud. The Dark Dies track is much different with it being swashbuckling in tone since it is the end of the evil Mr. Dark on the carousel. Still, the idea and history surrounding this score is intriguing and special kudos to Intrada and Disney for bringing it forward - especially since the audio reels had no label to identify it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

As mentioned in the other thread, the director's original version of the film was extensively re-shot and reedited, after a poor test screening. The result was that original score could no longer be used in the new film, so a new score was commissioned.

Interesting. Wikipedia says was replaced (see quote below) for being too dark.

For the original score, Clayton picked Georges Delerue who had scored his films The Pumpkin Eater and Our Mother's House, but his score (considered "too dark" by Disney) was later removed and replaced.



By all accounts, the executives thought the whole film was too dark and subdued. Hence the removal of the director, rewrites, reshoots, and a new score by up-and-comer James Horner.
This film was tested at the very time Poltergeist and ET was in theaters. The execs were convinced audiences wanted something flashier and more overt (and big FX) instead of this Hammer-like mood and atmospere piece.

Clayton's vision and resulting film was a bit of a throwback, but I think it would have been very effective nonetheless. Certainly more emotionally satisfying.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I really like this score. It's really not quite like any other Delerue score I can think of. Sure, there are some dark moments in other of his scores, but not to the depth or amount presented in this score. There is a sense of true dread that hangs over most of the music, and I mean that in a good way. One must remember that the original cut of this film was apparently much darker as well, and the music probably fit it like a glove. If you've ever seen Clayton's THE INNOCENTS (1961) or even THE LONELY PASSION OF JUDITH HEARNE, you know how well Clayton handled subjects that started out on an uneasy note, then usually slid downhill to an unhappy conclusion. Except for last-minute "goodness triumphs" ending of the plot, SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES falls into that same category. I would truly like to see Clayton's original version, with Delerue's music, just to able to make an informed decision, instead of having to rely on some diametrically opposed opinions of a few people who worked on the production back in 1983.

For those of you who wish to pit Delerue's score against Horner's, I don't think it fair to do so without having seen the original cut of the film and how it might have augmented the mood.

For those of you who might be put off by a CD full of music of hopelessness and gloom, rest assured, there are examples of other moods as well. There is an idyllic theme for the young boys, as well a sensuous theme for the exotic dancer in the carnival side show. There is also a dynamic piece near the end of the score as the powers of good and evil come head to head, which exhibits some almost STAR WARS-like brass sections. Then there are a couple of couple of delightful carousel calliope pieces.

All in all, this score will take most listeners by surprise; whatever you have come expect from his many styles, this CD might catch you off guard, BUT, I'm telling you, give this score a chance. It is one of Delerue's masterpieces.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Another thing to consider is that Delerue composed and orchestrated (by himself), over an hour of music in less than two weeks, all with just paper, pencil, and piano; that is quite the feat...

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I love that the cover designs are unused poster art (and yes, gorgeous unused poster art). This is a perfect way to celebrate an unused score.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

The samples pushed me over the fence with this one. Hopefully I won't lose much score by deleting the circus cues and the music box cues from the rest of it. I can't stand circus music. No idea why.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2015 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   KevinSmith   (Member)

I too feel the music is similar to Herrmann's opening of Citizen Kane. At least from my POV it reminds me of it, and at one point I was whispering the iconic word Rosebud. The Dark Dies track is much different with it being swashbuckling in tone since it is the end of the evil Mr. Dark on the carousel.Still, the idea and history surrounding this score is intriguing and special kudos to Intrada and Disney for bringing it forward - especially since the audio reels had no label to identify it.

With a bit of John Williams's string/brass writing from The Empire Strikes.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2015 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

This is a fantastic score which until this week I was not too familier with. Thank you Intrada!

I hope Intrada can now re-issue the James Horner score which as I understand is currently out of print.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2015 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Doug Fake talks about the panel discussion and shares his view on the film as well as the two scores composed for it:

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6927&p=74646#p74646

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2015 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I can confirm that the sound quality is just great. Obviously, it does not sound as good as Intrada's releases of Horner's score considering digital elements were used for that release as opposed to analog tapes for Delerue's score.

But compared to the various unmentionables and Universal France's release that used Delerue's archival tapes, this new Intrada release is a revelation!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2015 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

I'm pretty unfamiliar with Delerue, but I do love his score for OUR MOTHER'S HOUSE. And, I'm a longtime fan of Bernard Herrmann's scores (including THE JAR, which also had some calliope music).

With the above in mind, should I blind-buy this score? Any opinions?

I should add that I'm unable to listen to Intrada's sound samples, due to technical issues. So, this would really be a blind-buy if I pull the trigger.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2015 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I made some comments about the score itself a few posts back. All I wanted to say here is that I received my copy today, and the sound is amazing. Thank you, Intrada. I will treasure this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2015 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm pretty unfamiliar with Delerue, but I do love his score for OUR MOTHER'S HOUSE. And, I'm a longtime fan of Bernard Herrmann's scores (including THE JAR, which also had some calliope music).

With the above in mind, should I blind-buy this score? Any opinions?

I should add that I'm unable to listen to Intrada's sound samples, due to technical issues. So, this would really be a blind-buy if I pull the trigger.


The re-recording suite is on youtube, but it's not in film order, and in this case that really matters. For that reason, I would avoid playing it until you've played the samples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLVufJ2nK50

See if you can play the samples this way - you should get a new window player for each:
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_01.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_04.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_05.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_07.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_14.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_20.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_21.mp3
http://www.intrada.net/sound/SWTWc_22.mp3

 
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