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 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

Strange to see Goldsmith's Planet of the Apes being listed by some folks here as a "blind buy".
I'd have thought it would be pretty difficult for any soundtrack devotee to have avoided seeing that movie at least once over the years, if only one of the endless TV showings.


Reading about people listing Goldsmith's Planet Of The Apes as a blind buy confuses me too. Who has not seen the movie. I am too young to have seen it in the theaters but my Father showed it to me many of time and I loved the music and own the score and movie. It was written for the film and if you have not seen the film, listening to it would be like trying to listen to Social Network without seeing the film. I still do not care for Social Network and have never bought it, but if I did that would be a "Blind Buy with regrets."

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I've never seen a Planet of the Apes movie from before 2001. Just happenstance, really.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

You really need to see the original POTA. You do not really need to see any of the sequels, but the original is a must. When you see it, you will see how Goldsmith's score made the film. But just remember the film was released in 1968.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

You really need to see the original POTA. You do not really need to see any of the sequels, but the original is a must. When you see it, you will see how Goldsmith's score made the film. But just remember the film was released in 1968.

Love the film, dislike the score. It's just so ambient. In fact I would say he composed sound effects, not an actual score.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

Love the film, dislike the score. It's just so ambient. In fact I would say he composed sound effects, not an actual score.

Ambient?

"Ambient; noun: ambient music; noun: ambient; plural noun: ambients
a style of instrumental music with electronic textures and no persistent beat, used to create or enhance a mood or atmosphere."

I'm not sure that applies. You don't hear all the rhythmic structure and complexity in something like "The Hunt"?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

Love the film, dislike the score. It's just so ambient. In fact I would say he composed sound effects, not an actual score.

Ambient?

"Ambient; noun: ambient music; noun: ambient; plural noun: ambients
a style of instrumental music with electronic textures and no persistent beat, used to create or enhance a mood or atmosphere."

I'm not sure that applies. You don't hear all the rhythmic structure and complexity in something like "The Hunt"?


This site needs a like button on the threads. [LIKE]

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I've been lucky not to really regret any purchases, due largely to not jumping for something unless I either know the film or am provided enough samples.

I never blind buy a twenty-track album with four samples.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Love the film, dislike the score. It's just so ambient. In fact I would say he composed sound effects, not an actual score.

Ambient?

"Ambient; noun: ambient music; noun: ambient; plural noun: ambients
a style of instrumental music with electronic textures and no persistent beat, used to create or enhance a mood or atmosphere."

I'm not sure that applies. You don't hear all the rhythmic structure and complexity in something like "The Hunt"?


It's the most notable cue, though I would have to hear it again to comment. In general I remember a lot of instruments striking out on their own, independent of the total sum musically. Like when the astronauts see the scarecrows. Actually I don't remember many scored sequences in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2014 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I was very disappointed years ago when I bought a LP that had the music from FRIDAY THE 13TH ONE TWO AND THREE, and that beautiful piano theme at the end of one was not there.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

Star Trek II - got caught in all the hype and bought it without hearing a note. It's not the right sound for me.

And to some extent, Hook. While LLL's set has some good extra material, I think the OST is one of Williams' better albums, and I only felt I needed to add ~10 mins of extra stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

The Lethal Weapon Box.

I had a hard time getting through all CDs. At least IMHO the Eric Clapton guitar stuff and the David Sanborn sax stuff is pretty annoying.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

The Lethal Weapon Box.

I had a hard time getting through all CDs. At least IMHO the Eric Clapton guitar stuff and the David Sanborn sax stuff is pretty annoying.


Well, that is why I have not bought it yet. So, I can not say I regret buying it. I love most of Kamen's works except when Sanborn and Clapton are involved.

When you bring up guitars, I also have to regret my purchase of THE KNIGHTS OF BADASSDOM with it's drop-tuned distorted guitars. I usually like Bear McCreary's scores, but this is in the pile to sell.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

everything by Jerry Goldsmith...

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

everything by Jerry Goldsmith...

Jerry who?

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

everything by Jerry Goldsmith...

Jerry who?


Didn't he have a couple hits in the 70 or date some APE woman???!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

This is a tough one...I don't "regret" a lot the blind buys that weren't as good as I hoped. Often, they get relegated to a "don't listen to often" status. But sometimes after repeated attempts I grow to like them. Sometimes they never truly grow on me but I appreciate the expanded knowledge of a composer's repertoire. There are many Morricone scores in that category. The only Morricone purchase I regret is an LP of his Chamber music years ago. Truly unlistenable for me.
More recently, I blind bought Michael Small’s KIDCO and could never warm up to it, I love all other Small scores but that one just never clicked.
Maybe I’m easy to please because I’ve gotten a lot of blind buys recently and not regretted any. I’ve bought every single DigitMovies “peplum” score and there’s not a clunker among them. I’ve bought several Italian “exotica” scores by the likes of Cipriani, Piccioni, Umiliani, etc. without even samples and no regrets there. Maybe I’ve just been lucky.
Virtually all my current blind buys are of Golden or Silver Age scores (and select 80s & 90s).
But I don’t blind buy ANY new contemporary scores before I’ve seen the film these days unless it’s Desplat or Williams. The prevalent wall-of-sound, non-thematic, drum machine crap that fills today's scores sounds so much the same to me that I’m much more picky. There are great new scores every year, but the majority are of an uninspired piece.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I've thought about this question a few times in the last few days and the only one which I think fits the bill - in the film music world - is Lalo Schifrin's Black Widow ... and even that is not strictly film music.

Perhaps I should have kept it for a while longer and tried a few more plays ... but I decided it was just not for me so I sold it in a matter of days.

I suppose I could add Madonna's CD single of 3 versions of her Die Another Day title song but that did at least affirm that the film version is the best smile

I've certainly bought many CDs which I'd have been better off (not just financially) not buying, but regret? No.

And quite the opposite: so many purchases of scores of which I have no knowledge and yet I'm very happy to own. I take advantage of the discounts the dealers offer, adding one, two or three unknowns to the full-price purchases. My last buy included a couple each of Carlo Savina's and Francesco de Masi's scores (neither my favourite composer by a long shot) - not one of the four is great but none are so poor I regret them. I make this point for those who state they will buy only scores they know or can sample fully. I know funds are limited and it's a gamble, but ...

In the last 18 months or so the vast majority of my purchases has been of classical music - a large number being boxed sets (a 60CD set is due for delivery today smile) - okay, I may know some of the works but - hopefully - many will be new to me, such as a recent purchase of a 32CD collection of French music conducted by Ernest Ansermeret: Ravel, Debussy, Saint-Saens, Honegger, Dukas, Berlioz et al. For every duffer there are five or six wonderful pieces. Well-worth the gamble.

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)

While I know there are more that I simply cannot remember, one blind buy that was hugely disappointing I do recall is this one:



It was most comprised of a lot of Looney Tune sounding music, which is fine and all for animation, but makes for a poor listening experience. It just felt like a CD full of cartoonish stingers.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   RedOkt64 2.0   (Member)

OP, do you mean a blind buy the way it is now, where you listen to a few samples and get it without being familiar with the rest of the score? Or do you mean like it was in the old days; happen upon something in a record shop, like the composer or maybe even the cover art, and take a wild swing?

I miss those days. smile


Yes. Good days!


Good old days indeed.

Off the top of my head...

Here's a recent one...
I loved X-Men: First Class
by Henry Jackman...

Based on the love of it, I decided to get

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter... (yeah, I should have known)
Played it once. HATED every moment of it. Every thing I loved about X-Men First Class, I hate about this one. BLECH!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Still in the days of vinyl I once called in an Oxfam (charity) shop scanning for that odd gem that occasionally happens, and found that someone had offloaded a decent collection of soundtrack albums. Among them were Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, The Thing (Morricone), Outland, and the old Fred Steiner King Kong recording.

What a haul! At £2.50 each I just scooped up the lot! The Thing was the one I was glad I hadn't paid full price for.

A more bizarre occasion was when I bought John Williams' Star Wars double album LP on release. I hadn't seen the movie yet, but had enjoyed the Meco single that was in the charts at the time. When I got the double album home I was mortified! It was orchestral! I was expecting more catchy syths. I know, I know. Sacrilege! Hey, I was a kid. Except it's no excuse because I was already into Herrmann and Morricone by this time.

Of course a couple of plays in, and seeing the movie changed (not to say BLEW!) my mind completely. I came to my senses.

 
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