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It isn't split perfectly down the middle, time-wise (it was split where it made most sense to split, content-wise). So on the 20th you'll be getting about 70 minutes of podcast, and then one longer than 90 minutes two weeks later. And then Gunsmoke #1 (covering his three 1960 episode scores) two weeks after that...we will do our best to keep that one under two hours. We really don't want to ever go over two hours if possible...that's pushing it with people's attention spans. 
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Guys,
Personally, I wouldn't mind if each show would last FOUR HOURS or so. When we download the podcast there's always the possibility to use the super new "pause" button technology.
You guys may speak as long as you think it's necessary. We, the listeners, will pause when we think we ought to. The more data you aggregate to these podcasts, the more data will be preserved for the future.
I don't think there has ever been this kind of a task force devoted to study all of Goldsmith's work. You guys should expand this into books and such.
I love the show and I'm hooked.
More.... more... please!
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Thanks for saying all of that! Of course we know that many of our listeners (including yourself) wouldn't have a problem with the podcasts getting longer and longer, but we think enough people *would* be turned off by a three hour library music marathon session that we made the collective decision to split it, after initially having some reservations about doing so. Rest assured we all gave it due consideration and agreed in the end that it was the best course of action, in order to appeal to the most people. (The pause option doesn't work for everyone, and then they have to remember where they left off and get back there...everyone's listening methods/habits are different, we must remember.)
Originally as we conceived this podcast, we thought we would rarely if ever go over 70 minutes per podcast (haha!) So much for that! Then at a certain point we said to ourselves, "Well...as long as we don't go over 90 minutes per 'cast, or at least much over that." And then we had two Twilight Zone 'casts which really couldn't be cut down much below their nearly 2 hour length! Naw, we gotta draw the line somewhere if we want to have general film music listener appeal for these, and two hours is pretty much IT I think.
If it's any consolation, this has probably allowed us to be a little less aggressive in our conversation cutting than we would've been if we were trying to squeeze it into a single installment. And as I said, I don't think we'll be doing this ever again -- we don't want to ever split up our film coverage, for example (like having three podcasts on Planet of the Apes, even if it could easily sustain that amount of analysis and discussion). The most we might do is have separate podcasts for the separate parts of the miniseries QBVII and Masada.
Yavar
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robertolopes said ...I wouldn't mind if each show would last FOUR HOURS or so....speak as long as you think it's necessary...The more data you aggregate to these podcasts, the more data will be preserved for the future ...More.... more...
Fully on board with you - just on the basis of the first 10 shows, each of which I've listened to at least twice.
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Yeah for 1960 Gunsmoke we have to do our usual set-up discussion for the show itself, and then speak about not two but THREE episodes! (Score-wise between them there is about 25 minutes worth of music, maybe a little more.) Fingers crossed that we can do that justice in under two hours, honestly. Our first TZ podcast had the show set up followed by just two episodes/scores being discussed, and we barely kept it under that time limit!
Here's hoping we can tackle these first three Gunsmokes similarly to how we did Jerry's Perry Mason scores. That was substantially our longest episode to date at that point, but we somehow kept show set up discussion, plus two episodes/scores discussion, to an hour and 25 minutes. If we can hit that mark for Gunsmoke we should be able to fully cover the third episode/score within half an hour, I would think...
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I usually download the podcasts, put them on a pendrive and listen to them when I'm driving! It's the perfect way to enjoy them, IMHO. Got to my destination? Okay, I'll resume at the exact point where I left.
I also enjoy those when I'm walking (using my cellphone and headphones) and I also when I'm at my computer. You can't miss them!
This is great stuff and it has historical significance! I can't thank you guys enough for doing this!
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I usually download the podcasts, put them on a pendrive and listen to them when I'm driving! It's the perfect way to enjoy them, IMHO. Got to my destination? Okay, I'll resume at the exact point where I left.
I also enjoy those when I'm walking (using my cellphone and headphones) and I also when I'm at my computer. You can't miss them!
Yeah, if everyone listened like you we would just put out a 3 hour CBS Library Music episode. But it seems there is great variety in how folks listen to our podcast!
This is great stuff and it has historical significance! I can't thank you guys enough for doing this!
You're welcome! We love doing it, even though it's a great deal of work.
So the schedule for Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years Vol. 1 comes like this:
September 20
October 4
Well we only have six library cues left to cover from that Prometheus album, so we actually fully "tie the bow" on that disc in our upcoming Episode 12 on Sept. 20th (after having covered the rest of the material on it in Episodes 4, 5, 6, and 8). Episode 12 will also include coverage of three "exclusive" cues as a teaser of sorts for the CBS Music Library material in our Episode 13, to be released on Oct. 4th -- NONE of which comes from any CD release! Stay tuned!
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I usually download the podcasts, put them on a pendrive and listen to them when I'm driving! It's the perfect way to enjoy them, IMHO. Got to my destination? Okay, I'll resume at the exact point where I left.
I also enjoy those when I'm walking (using my cellphone and headphones) and I also when I'm at my computer. You can't miss them!
Yeah, if everyone listened like you we would just put out a 3 hour CBS Library Music episode. But it seems there is great variety in how folks listen to our podcast!
This is great stuff and it has historical significance! I can't thank you guys enough for doing this!
You're welcome! We love doing it, even though it's a great deal of work.
So the schedule for Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years Vol. 1 comes like this:
September 20
October 4
Well we only have six library cues left to cover from that Prometheus album, so we actually fully "tie the bow" on that disc in our upcoming Episode 12 on Sept. 20th (after having covered the rest of the material on it in Episodes 4, 5, 6, and 8). Episode 12 will also include coverage of three "exclusive" cues as a teaser of sorts for the CBS Music Library material in our Episode 13, to be released on Oct. 4th -- NONE of which comes from any CD release! Stay tuned!
Yavar
Thank you.
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...and just after providing that schedule update, we decided we were able to move everything up a week and return to our two-week schedule sooner, as the final draft of Episode 12 is all set! So (member), check back here this evening -- Jens will be dropping the episode at the usual midnight (Eastern time), which is 10pm where I live (Mountain time) or an hour earlier than that for those in California. And then Episode 13 is only two weeks away!
Very excited for you all to hear the new goodies we have in store...
Yavar
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Episode 12 - CBS Music Library Spectacular Part 1
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/797224-episode-12-cbs-music-library-spectacular-part-1
Supported by the invaluable aid and research of returning guest W. David LICHTY, your humble hosts Jens, Yavar, and Clark offer the first installment of a two-part examination into Jerry Goldsmith’s contributions to the vast CBS Music Library, which featured a diverse array of fully orchestral cues that would ultimately be used on a wide variety of CBS television programs, including The Twilight Zone. In this episode, we explore all of the original library cues featured on Prometheus’ Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years Volume One album, plus a sampling of additional library cues that will be brand new to most Goldsmith fans. Be sure to stay tuned for our follow-up episode, which will offer a host of rarely-heard Goldsmith material. Grab your library card and join us for a journey into the archives!
Duration
01:10:01
The Work
Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years, Volume 1 (CD at Screen Archives)
The Twilight Zone: The Complete Series (Blu-ray at Amazon)
David’s Bibliography
Ron Burbella supplied us with his CBS EZ CUE disc and index (discussed in "The CBS EZ CUE LIBRARY" thread) and with his TransWorld 78s (discussed in "GOLDSMITH / HERRMANN - TransWorld Recorded Library" thread).
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=56146&forumID=1&archive=0
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=115812
Martin GRAMS Jr. wrote The Twilight Zone: Unlocking the Door to a Television Classic. This gave names and running times for all of the tracks used in each episode. Note his excellent coverage of “To Serve Man” in his sample section.
http://martingrams.biz/books-2/the-twilight-zone-unlocking-the-door-to-a-television-classic/
Dan HOLLIS supplied the time locations for all of the cues used in each Twilight Zone episode via his thread at Twilight Zone Cafe -> Twilight Zone, Etc. -> Classic Twilight Zone -> Musical Cues.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/twilightzoneworfr/musical-cues-t4163.html
Bill WROBEL documented the mass of CBS Music Library stuff donated to UCLA, giving us a little more info on the tracks we’ve acquired. Even more helpful info was found in his piece “Television Works of Bernard Herrmann.” You can find some of the TransWorld tracks used in the show on his YouTube channel.
http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/goldsmith/index.html
http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/herrmann/bh_tvworks.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIbnRNnyhv40h_dmHMinvQ
Despite being uncredited, Gene FELDMAN supervised The Twilight Zone scores for all five seasons. The Twilight Zone isn’t listed for him on IMDb, but Grams Jr.’s book may explain why, and Bill Wrobel's research seems to confirm that he was CBS’ guy for this process.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0271040/
JERRY GOLDSMITH THE EARLY YEARS VOL. 1
TRACKS 16-21: “CBS Production Library Music: Unknown Episodic Score”
16. The Villagers (03:07)
17. The Camp (02:19)
18. The Camp At Night (02:33)
19. Quiet Night (02:07)
20. Village Death (02:07)
21. Mysterious Storm / Knife Fight (02:31)
Episode 12 covers these EZ cues until 00:38:51
The Goldsmith Odyssey: All Episodes
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com
Contact The Goldsmith Odyssey
mail@goldsmithodyssey.com
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Episode 12 - CBS Music Library Spectacular Part 1
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/797224-episode-12-cbs-music-library-spectacular-part-1
¶ Bravo! Fabulous episode! I simply adore the thorough job of investigation and the music you cover. Keep it coming. I am eager to get the second part on September 27.
“Goldsmith kind of writing conservatively in the style of the time… Oh, his voice is still there but it’s not Goldsmith unleashed, to say the least.”
—about the sound leaning of Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years Volume One.
¶ You raise a good point at 00:37:30 concerning the limitations of the generic cues that don’t reflect the idiosyncrasy of Jerry Goldsmith. I find interesting the Herrmannesque flavor of these cues, especially the brass use. I am a diehard Herrmann listener, by the way.
¶ The hectic brassy cue “Jail Break” is pure 60’s Goldsmith (starting at 00:55:28): it reminds me The Prize.
¶ Amusing how these cues were tracked on many CBS series that I know of: The Twilight Zone (fantasy) and Rawhide (western) and even on ABC’s The Fugitive (film noir)!
¶ Find examples of CBS cues on Rawhide. The western series includes many recycled cues from The Twilight Zone by Bernard Herrmann, Leonard Rosenman and Goldsmith's CBS Music Library.
Rawhide (season 3) - “Incident Before Black Pass” (guests: Arthur Batanides, Leonard Nimoy, Robert Sampson). Contain some stock music from Jerry Goldsmith’s “Knife Fight” culled from the CBS Production Library Music when trail boss Gil Flavor fights Indian leader Anko (actor Leonard Nimoy) in a tough knife duel.
Rawhide (season 3) - “Incident of the Running Man” (guests: Lloyd Corrigan, Donald Barry, Robert Wilke, Luana Anders, Walter Coy, Pete Mamakos, Pete Adams, Russ Conway, James Anderson, Lew Brown, Robert Donner). Contain some stock music from Jerry Goldsmith’s “Mysterious Storm” culled from the CBS Production Library Music (when ramrod Rowdy Yates arrives in town at night and hide to observe the mob sent against him).
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(member) wrote Amusing how these cues were tracked on many CBS series that I know of: The Twilight Zone (fantasy) and Rawhide (western) and even on ABC’s The Fugitive (film noir)!
Prepping to join the guys on what became the next episode got me very familiar with the Goldsmith pieces we now have from the CBS Music Library. As I head for bed, I usually turn on a television with brightness and sound set low. It's a night light and white noise generator for me. Lately, Perry Mason has been on, and I have heard, three times in just the last week, a cue we discuss in the next episode, called Silent Flight, used as the Opening Mysterious Event music in a few Perry Masons in a row! These appear to be early episodes of its first season, shown in the order the public would have seen them, though weeks apart rather than days. I've also heard a couple of other pieces in transitional moments.
Gene Feldman (oops! Sorry, Gene FELDMAN - winky circle) was CBS's guy for this job, probably on the basis of his fine work on Twilight Zone. He started getting credited right after that series, and worked on Have Gun - Will Travel, Perry Mason, Rawhide, Gunsmoke and many other series and films, ending with Silverado, all as Music Editor. That was his job, with Twilight Zone providing him his 10'000 hours, it seems. I think he may be a bit of an unsung master.
Anyway, it's more amusing to me now that I know the pieces, hearing them pop up in Perry Mason, as you seem to have found them in Rawhide. It's only momentarily distracting too, and in a delightful way.
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(member) wrote Amusing how these cues were tracked on many CBS series that I know of: The Twilight Zone (fantasy) and Rawhide (western) and even on ABC’s The Fugitive (film noir)!
Prepping to join the guys on what became the next episode got me very familiar with the Goldsmith pieces we now have from the CBS Music Library. As I head for bed, I usually turn on a television with brightness and sound set low. It's a night light and white noise generator for me. Lately, Perry Mason has been on, and I have heard, three times in just the last week, a cue we discuss in the next episode, called Silent Flight, used as the Opening Mysterious Event music in a few Perry Masons in a row! These appear to be early episodes of its first season, shown in the order the public would have seen them, though weeks apart rather than days. I've also heard a couple of other pieces in transitional moments.
Gene Feldman (oops! Sorry, Gene FELDMAN - winky circle) was CBS's guy for this job, probably on the basis of his fine work on Twilight Zone. He started getting credited right after that series, and worked on Have Gun - Will Travel, Perry Mason, Rawhide, Gunsmoke and many other series and films, ending with Silverado, all as Music Editor. That was his job, with Twilight Zone providing him his 10'000 hours, it seems. I think he may be a bit of an unsung master.
Anyway, it's more amusing to me now that I know the pieces, hearing them pop up in Perry Mason, as you seem to have found them in Rawhide. It's only momentarily distracting too, and in a delightful way.
Can you tell me which TZ episodes use the cue “Jail Break”, please?
Thanks.
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